String Minutia

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Nobody, Aug 7, 2003.

  1. Nobody

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  2. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
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    > So I went back to Gibson 9s from 10s a while ago...when I went to having

    my amp in a head and with this big-ass 2x12 cabinet:
    >
    > http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs/VerticalRectifier2x12.JPG
    >
    > ...the bass response and tone changed, and I found that I had to use a

    smaller gauge low E to tame the bass.
    >
    > Good thing is, it sounds great still with 9s, and better than 10s did to

    my ears now.
    >
    > Wild.
    >
    > Any similar experiences?
    >
    > --
    > Jason
    > http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
    >


    I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and hold a tune
    better than .009s. Tonally, outside of a little more beef on the low end,
    they sound roughly the same as the .009s, and they're no harder to play.
    It's also a little easier on me to go from .010s on my electrics to .012s on
    my acoustics.

    -nyb
  3. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Nunya Bidni <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote in article <bGjYa.1064$Ih1.672153@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...

    > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and hold a tune better than .009s.


    You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?

    I don't understand what you mean there.

    >Tonally, outside of a little more beef on the low end, they sound roughly the same as the .009s,


    I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds much different to my ears than a 42.

    And the high strings of a set of 9s seem to be not so much in your face..I mean that the tone is a little less pronounced
    obviously, but with my amp it still sings right nicely. I also find the set of 9s to better balanced volume wise between the low
    and high strings as opposed to a set of 10s.

    That really applies to solo lines and chords using the high strings..otherwise the sound roughly the same.

    I think I just disagreed some, but not much.

    >and they're no harder to play.


    Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.

    > It's also a little easier on me to go from .010s on my electrics to .012s on my acoustics.
    > -nyb


    Cool...that makes sense. Never thought of that...smart though really.

    Suddenly I'm in the mood to go and get another Larrivee...

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  4. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and hold a

    tune better than .009s.
    >
    > You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?


    Yes.


    > I don't understand what you mean there.


    Because you're an idiot.


    > >Tonally, outside of a little more beef on the low end, they sound

    roughly the same as the .009s,
    >
    > I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds much different

    to my ears than a 42.

    You couldn't tell the difference in a blindfold test.


    > And the high strings of a set of 9s seem to be not so much in your

    face..I mean that the tone is a little less pronounced
    > obviously, but with my amp it still sings right nicely. I also find the

    set of 9s to better balanced volume wise between the low
    > and high strings as opposed to a set of 10s.
    >
    > That really applies to solo lines and chords using the high

    strings..otherwise the sound roughly the same.
    >
    > I think I just disagreed some, but not much.


    You're hearing things that aren't there.


    > >and they're no harder to play.

    >
    > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you that....especially for

    my index finder doing blues bends.

    You tune the fucking guitar to C you dumbass, 13's would feel like rubber
    bands. If 10;s are hard to play then you're more of a pussy that I
    thought.


    > > It's also a little easier on me to go from .010s on my electrics to

    ..012s on my acoustics.
    > > -nyb

    >
    > Cool...that makes sense. Never thought of that...smart though really.
    >
    > Suddenly I'm in the mood to go and get another Larrivee...


    Why? Do you do an acoustic version of "Downshift"?
  5. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > Nunya Bidni <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote in article

    <bGjYa.1064$Ih1.672153@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
    >
    > > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and hold a

    tune better than .009s.
    >
    > You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?
    >
    > I don't understand what you mean there.


    Same thing- they stay in tune better and if you tune to alternate tunings
    they don't drift.


    > >Tonally, outside of a little more beef on the low end, they sound roughly

    the same as the .009s,
    >
    > I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds much different to

    my ears than a 42.

    Not enough to where it would ever matter in a band context.


    > And the high strings of a set of 9s seem to be not so much in your face..I

    mean that the tone is a little less pronounced
    > obviously, but with my amp it still sings right nicely. I also find the

    set of 9s to better balanced volume wise between the low
    > and high strings as opposed to a set of 10s.



    See above. You'll hear it in your bedroom, playing by yourself. It won't
    matter in a band context.


    > That really applies to solo lines and chords using the high

    strings..otherwise the sound roughly the same.
    >
    > I think I just disagreed some, but not much.
    >
    > >and they're no harder to play.

    >
    > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you that....especially for

    my index finder doing blues bends.

    You've been playing- what? 4 years? Play another 14 or so. It won't
    matter.


    > > It's also a little easier on me to go from .010s on my electrics to

    ..012s on my acoustics.
    > > -nyb

    >
    > Cool...that makes sense. Never thought of that...smart though really.
    >
    > Suddenly I'm in the mood to go and get another Larrivee...


    Nice guitars, for sure.

    -nyb
  6. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you

    that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.

    What kind of "blues bends" are you doing with your index
    finger? Don't you have a ring finger?
  7. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Nunya Bidni <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote in article <1%qYa.1751$Ih1.730795@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...

    > > > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and hold a

    > tune better than .009s.
    > >
    > > You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?
    > >
    > > I don't understand what you mean there.

    >
    > Same thing- they stay in tune better and if you tune to alternate tunings
    > they don't drift.


    I haven't experienced that at all..its more of properly stretching the strings on the post to make it tune stable, IMHO.

    So I guess I disagree.

    > I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds much different to my ears than a 42.


    > Not enough to where it would ever matter in a band context.


    I've already heard it in a band context, and I disagree with you that it can't be heard.

    Unless, of course, you can't hear it...and that's okay.

    > See above. You'll hear it in your bedroom, playing by yourself. It won't
    > matter in a band context.


    See above.

    > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.


    > You've been playing- what? 4 years?


    About 6.

    >Play another 14 or so. It won't matter.


    Jeff Beck, for example, will switch to 9s from 10s in the course of a tour because its easier on his fingers.

    So it DOES matter...just not to you.

    > Suddenly I'm in the mood to go and get another Larrivee...
    >
    > Nice guitars, for sure.
    > -nyb



    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  8. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Odin <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in article <3f325a12@shknews01>...

    > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message


    > > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.


    > What kind of "blues bends" are you doing with your index finger?


    Do you really need an answer for this one, fat boy?

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  9. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > > > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold

    together and hold a
    > > > > tune better than .009s.
    > > >
    > > > You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?
    > > >
    > > > I don't understand what you mean there.

    > >
    > > Same thing- they stay in tune better and if you tune to

    alternate tunings
    > > they don't drift.

    >
    > I haven't experienced that at all..its more of properly

    stretching the strings on the post to make it tune stable,
    IMHO.
    >
    > So I guess I disagree.


    You disagree with just about everything that just about
    every more experienced guitarist says, so that's not
    surprising.



    > > I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds

    much different to my ears than a 42.
    >
    > > Not enough to where it would ever matter in a band

    context.
    >
    > I've already heard it in a band context, and I disagree

    with you that it can't be heard.

    But then again you hear lots of things that nobody else
    hears. Like voices.



    > Unless, of course, you can't hear it...and that's okay.


    Thanks for your approval.

    You're a joke, you know. You claim to hear the difference
    between 9's and 10's in a live band situation yet you have
    never played your guitar in a live band situation.



    > > See above. You'll hear it in your bedroom, playing by

    yourself. It won't
    > > matter in a band context.

    >
    > See above.
    >
    > > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you

    that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.
    >
    > > You've been playing- what? 4 years?

    >
    > About 6.


    Oh, well, then that's different. How many of those years
    were spent playing outside of your bedroom with a band?




    > >Play another 14 or so. It won't matter.

    >
    > Jeff Beck, for example, will switch to 9s from 10s in the

    course of a tour because its easier on his fingers.
    >
    > So it DOES matter...just not to you.


    Jeff Beck, for example, might play 2-3 hours per night for
    250 nights in a row. Which would cause his fingers to be
    considerably more stressed than yours, so he may have a
    legitimate reason to switch to lighter strings. How many
    hours per day are you putting in doing those index finger
    blues bends?
  10. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you

    that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.
    >
    > > What kind of "blues bends" are you doing with your index

    finger?
    >
    > Do you really need an answer for this one, fat boy?


    Yes, I do, blues boy.
  11. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Odin <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in article <3f326a76$1@shknews01>...
    >
    > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
    >
    > > > > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you

    > that....especially for my index finder doing blues bends.
    > >
    > > > What kind of "blues bends" are you doing with your index

    > finger?
    > >
    > > Do you really need an answer for this one, fat boy?

    >
    > Yes, I do, blues boy.


    I believe I'll just let it remain a mystery.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  12. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
    > >
    > > > > > Hmm...9s are easier to play to me, I can tell you

    > > that....especially for my index finder doing blues

    bends.
    > > >
    > > > > What kind of "blues bends" are you doing with your

    index
    > > finger?
    > > >
    > > > Do you really need an answer for this one, fat boy?

    > >
    > > Yes, I do, blues boy.

    >
    > I believe I'll just let it remain a mystery.


    I believe it is a mystery why you claim to do "blues bends"
    with your index finger, especially to the extent that it
    requires switching to a lighter string gauge. I believe
    that you're full of shit and don't know what you're talking
    about. But please feel free to give some examples of "blues
    bends" with the index finger that require light strings.
    You really don't know when to shut up, do you? Every time
    you spout off about something you reveal more and more of
    your ignorance. Sad.
  13. "Odin" wrote:

    >I believe it is a mystery why you claim to do "blues bends"
    >with your index finger, especially to the extent that it
    >requires switching to a lighter string gauge.


    Well, strictly a Strat hack here, but no kookery - I do blues
    type bends with my index finger just to get off my overuse of the 3rd
    finger always bending. I'm boring enough as it is. But I use .010s, my
    guitar tech will attest to the manly height of my strings (well, until
    my last setup, anyway), and I can do an acceptable bend with my 4th
    finger too. I love finding something that feels weak or wrong when I
    try it. I'll spend the next week on an awkward bend until I can get it
    down. Finger independence is a cool thing.

    But I sure don't need lighter strings for it. That's the
    opposite of what I'm trying to achieve (strength without getting CTS).



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  14. miker

    miker Guest

    > >I believe it is a mystery why you claim to do "blues bends"
    > >with your index finger, especially to the extent that it
    > >requires switching to a lighter string gauge.

    >
    > Well, strictly a Strat hack here, but no kookery - I do blues
    > type bends with my index finger just to get off my overuse of the 3rd
    > finger always bending.


    I do bends with the first three all the time. Not so good (like "at all")
    with pinky tho.

    Thinking about it, first finger I more tend to pull (i.e. toward treble side
    of neck). 2nd finger usually push. 3rd, both ways.
  15. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    miker <miker4nospamok@mindnospamokspring.com> wrote in article <bguiha$rkt$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>...
    > > >I believe it is a mystery why you claim to do "blues bends"
    > > >with your index finger, especially to the extent that it
    > > >requires switching to a lighter string gauge.

    > >
    > > Well, strictly a Strat hack here, but no kookery - I do blues
    > > type bends with my index finger just to get off my overuse of the 3rd
    > > finger always bending.

    >
    > I do bends with the first three all the time. Not so good (like "at all")
    > with pinky tho.


    I use all four.


    > Thinking about it, first finger I more tend to pull (i.e. toward treble side
    > of neck). 2nd finger usually push. 3rd, both ways.


    Depends on the string I am using, really, for me.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  16. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
    news:01c35cec$b44ba740$fbc8580c@715162529worldnet.att.net...
    >
    >
    > Nunya Bidni <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote in article

    <1%qYa.1751$Ih1.730795@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
    >
    > > > > I use .010s on everything, mostly because they hold together and

    hold a
    > > tune better than .009s.
    > > >
    > > > You mean "stay in tune" or "hold a tune"?
    > > >
    > > > I don't understand what you mean there.

    > >
    > > Same thing- they stay in tune better and if you tune to alternate

    tunings
    > > they don't drift.

    >
    > I haven't experienced that at all..its more of properly stretching the

    strings on the post to make it tune stable, IMHO.
    >
    > So I guess I disagree.


    Let's not pretend it's a revelation that you need to stretch a new set of
    strings. Being the reigning RMMG King of Dropped Tuning (TM), it should be
    patently obvious to you that if you bang on detuned strings, they'll drift
    out of tune faster than strings tuned to normal pitch.


    > > I agree, but the thicker wound low string of a 46 sounds much different

    to my ears than a 42.
    >
    > > Not enough to where it would ever matter in a band context.

    >
    > I've already heard it in a band context, and I disagree with you that it

    can't be heard.
    >
    > Unless, of course, you can't hear it...and that's okay.



    The clinical term for that is "psychosomatic." Hope this helps.


    > Jeff Beck, for example, will switch to 9s from 10s in the course of a tour

    because its easier on his fingers.


    I think you meant that the other way around, but hey, celebrate diversity,
    dude.


    -nyb
  17. "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<3f328a3e@shknews01>...

    >Every time
    > you spout off about something you reveal more and more of
    > your ignorance. Sad.


    I must confess: I log into this group for the same reason one slows
    down when passing a car accident. I don't post messages let alone get
    involved in flame wars, but I really have to ask you guys a question:
    what kind of satisfaction do you get out of flaming each other? Is it
    really that fun or enriching to sit at your computer and spew venom
    over something as inconsequential as your deeply held issues
    pertaining to string guage? Please enlighten me, I can't understand it
    for the life of me.
  18. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Nunya Bidni <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote in article <g_AYa.2469$Ih1.831437@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...

    > Let's not pretend it's a revelation that you need to stretch a new set of
    > strings. Being the reigning RMMG King of Dropped Tuning (TM), it should be
    > patently obvious to you that if you bang on detuned strings, they'll drift
    > out of tune faster than strings tuned to normal pitch.>


    Again, I disagree.

    As I said, I haven't experienced that at all..its more of properly stretching the strings on the post to make it tune stable,
    IMHO.

    > The clinical term for that is "psychosomatic." Hope this helps.


    And yours apparently must be "psychotic" as soon as you start with your pissy little comments.

    Don't tell me what I hear and what I don't hear.

    > Jeff Beck, for example, will switch to 9s from 10s in the course of a tour
    > because its easier on his fingers.


    > I think you meant that the other way around,


    No..I meant it exactly as I wrote it.

    >but hey, celebrate diversity, dude.
    > -nyb


    Well, I don't celebrate your intentions of coming out of the woodwork to talk shit to me with no honest attempt at civil
    conversation.

    DoOd.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  19. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Odin <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in article <3f328a3e@shknews01>...

    > I believe it is a mystery why you claim to do "blues bends" with your index finger, especially to the extent that it requires

    switching to a lighter string gauge.>

    Before you start with your bullshit, read close:

    Despite your mental illness and what you think you may have read, I never said that using my index finger to bend strings *required
    a lighter gauge.

    >I believe that you're full of shit and don't know what you're talking about. But please feel free to give some examples of "blues

    bends" with the index finger that require light strings. You really don't know when to shut up, do you? Every time you spout off
    about something you reveal more and more of your ignorance. Sad.>

    What's sad is that you are talking shit about me using my index finger to bend strings, and yet you don't have a clue as to what
    it's all about.

    Looks like you have some stuff to learn, but you won't shut up long enough to realize that your guitar knowledge and playing
    ability is obviously limited if you don't even know how to use your index finger to bend strings.

    Have a nice evening.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  20. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > Let's not pretend it's a revelation that you need to stretch a new set

    of
    > > strings. Being the reigning RMMG King of Dropped Tuning (TM), it

    should be
    > > patently obvious to you that if you bang on detuned strings, they'll

    drift
    > > out of tune faster than strings tuned to normal pitch.>

    >
    > Again, I disagree.


    And again you would be wrong. I play 4 songs per gig in open G tuning (all
    4 back to back) and I can tell you that a standard guitar tuned to a lower
    pitch has a tendency to go out of tune faster than if it were tuned to
    standard pitch. I'm speaking from lots of experience, not talking out my
    ass like some bedroom wanker. HTH.



    > As I said, I haven't experienced that at all..its more of properly

    stretching the strings on the post to make it tune stable,
    > IMHO.
    >
    > > The clinical term for that is "psychosomatic." Hope this helps.

    >
    > And yours apparently must be "psychotic" as soon as you start with your

    pissy little comments.

    And your is definitely bipolar.



    > Don't tell me what I hear and what I don't hear.


    Yes, there are enough voices in that empty head of yours already.



    > > Jeff Beck, for example, will switch to 9s from 10s in the course of a

    tour
    > > because its easier on his fingers.

    >
    > > I think you meant that the other way around,

    >
    > No..I meant it exactly as I wrote it.


    So Jeff Beck changes to heavier strings because it's easier on his fingers?
    That makes about as much sense as anything you've said.

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