Telephone voice?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by BLCKOUT420, Aug 15, 2003.

  1. BLCKOUT420

    BLCKOUT420 Guest

    How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?
  2. Steve King

    Steve King Guest

    "BLCKOUT420" <blckout420@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030814213613.29503.00000005@mb-m21.aol.com...
    > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?


    Go to http://www.google.com/groups

    Do an advanced search of the exact phrase "telephone voice" in
    rec.audio.pro. You'll get 43 hits. If you searched telephone effect you'd
    probably get some more. There are a bunch of ideas to try.

    Steve King
  3. On 15 Aug 2003 01:36:13 GMT, blckout420@aol.com (BLCKOUT420) wrote:

    >How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?


    Pull out all the bass and most (if not all of the high end)
    Crank the mid range and sweep the mid range frequencies (if you can)
    to find the right sound.

    You can also use a plug in like Amp Farm or a preamp to increase
    distortion a little.

    BP.
  4. BLCKOUT420 <blckout420@aol.com> wrote:

    > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?


    Just the opposite: A bandpass filter. You run a HP filter at about
    400Hz or so, and a LP filter at about 4kHz. Most EQ plug-ins come with
    this as an effects pre-set. You can boost the range just inside of the
    filters so that the corners are "square" rather than rounded, to give
    you a very steep corner. Use some kind of distortion effect to mess it
    up a little bit, but now you get into some subtleties that vary with
    the specific type of telephone you're trying to emulate. My advice is
    to pick a particular phone sound to emulate rather than just settling
    for the ballpark of a generic phone. It'll be more convincing. If you
    care.

    ulysses
  5. spud

    spud Guest

    On 15 Aug 2003 01:36:13 GMT, blckout420@aol.com (BLCKOUT420) wrote:

    >How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?


    Or if you don't like that you can do it using my strikingly unique,
    patented ultracool method:
    1) Open your headphones so the ear cups are pointing out like a pair
    of miniature speakers and lay them gently on the desk.
    2) Turn just the phones up fairly loud and from a few feet away you
    will hear an irritating, squawking, tinny sound blarring out.
    3) Now turn the monitors up just an ever so tiny wee bit of a scoach
    till the blended voice, music, whatever material becomes intelligible
    and mic what you hear. You can fade the headphone/monitor balance in
    or out to fade in/out the effect if you want. I used a CDRW in a
    portable CD player to play back 15 seconds of vocal through the board
    so I wouldn't have the computer noise in the mix and miced with a pair
    of omni's in ORTF to a DAT machine. Use what you have.
    This is to be here-to-fore referred to as the spud method. Any and all
    royalties resulting in the sale of any music form containing even
    microseconds of material made employing the aforementioned,
    here-to-fore referred to spud method or it's variants, derivative or
    resultant processes shall be here-by paid to the Spudco Institute for
    Audio Advancement- or you can just send me one of the Trident 80
    modules that guy has for sale. Rrrrrring-a-ding!,... s, (who will NOT
    be renewing his Tape Op sub in feeble, impotent, Wobbly, fist shaking
    protest against their joining the massive corporate republican, evil
    bulkmailer, telemarketing, demographic shitsucker scam- Boooooo,
    hissss!!)
  6. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Guest

    I always use one of these. Eventide DSP4000B/DSP4500/DSP7500/Orville

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    AudioGaff


    "BLCKOUT420" <blckout420@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030814213613.29503.00000005@mb-m21.aol.com...
    > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?
  7. "Justin Ulysses Morse" <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote in message
    news:140820032359030357%ulysses@rollmusic.com...
    > BLCKOUT420 <blckout420@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?

    >
    > Just the opposite: A bandpass filter. You run a HP filter at about
    > 400Hz or so, and a LP filter at about 4kHz. Most EQ plug-ins come with
    > this as an effects pre-set. You can boost the range just inside of the
    > filters so that the corners are "square" rather than rounded, to give
    > you a very steep corner. Use some kind of distortion effect to mess it
    > up a little bit, but now you get into some subtleties that vary with
    > the specific type of telephone you're trying to emulate. My advice is
    > to pick a particular phone sound to emulate rather than just settling
    > for the ballpark of a generic phone. It'll be more convincing. If you
    > care.


    I've found this effect to have been done so much that you're no longer
    trying to fake a real sounding phone but an imitation of what people are
    used to hearing as this effect which is much more grating than most phones
    in general use today.
  8. Bob Ross

    Bob Ross Guest

    BLCKOUT420 wrote:

    > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?


    I wrote an article in the March 2001 issue of Recording Magazine that
    listed 10 or so different techniques for achieving the cliched "telephone
    voice". Many of these methods have alredy been described by previous
    posters in this thread...but my favorite is the one that sometimes seems so
    obvious yet rarely gets the most attention:

    If you want a voice to sound like it's coming through a telephone, record
    the voice through a telephone.

    There are plenty of devices on the market that provide a telco RJ-11 to
    line level audio interface. Just give your singer the shittiest old
    bakelite phone with a rotary dial & carbon mic you can find, hork that into
    a Gentner or JK Audio telephone hybrid interface, patch that into your
    console and you're off.

    (Off your rocker, perhaps, but that's for another discussion.)

    /Bob Ross
  9. BLCKOUT420

    BLCKOUT420 Guest

    >If you want a voice to sound like it's coming through a telephone, record
    >the voice through a telephone


    Thanks Bob. I tried several of the methods here, and what I ended up doing was
    having the singer call me with his cell in the tracking room wearing headphones
    listening to the mix, and I plugged in a really cheap plastic telephone and
    recorded his voice. The most convincing sound.
  10. Steve King

    Steve King Guest

    "Bob Ross" <b.ross@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:3F3CB519.AABA14D6@verizon.net...
    > BLCKOUT420 wrote:
    >
    > > How do I make a vocal have the old style telephone voice?A notch filter?

    >
    > I wrote an article in the March 2001 issue of Recording Magazine that
    > listed 10 or so different techniques for achieving the cliched "telephone
    > voice". Many of these methods have alredy been described by previous
    > posters in this thread...but my favorite is the one that sometimes seems

    so
    > obvious yet rarely gets the most attention:
    >
    > If you want a voice to sound like it's coming through a telephone, record
    > the voice through a telephone.
    >
    > There are plenty of devices on the market that provide a telco RJ-11 to
    > line level audio interface. Just give your singer the shittiest old
    > bakelite phone with a rotary dial & carbon mic you can find, hork that

    into
    > a Gentner or JK Audio telephone hybrid interface, patch that into your
    > console and you're off.
    >
    > (Off your rocker, perhaps, but that's for another discussion.)
    >
    > /Bob Ross
    >


    This method has always seemed to provide the most reliable results to me.
    The part about the old bakelite dial phone is important. Those phones have
    carbon mics as Bob pointed out, and it is those phones that established our
    perception of what a phone voice should sound like. Most studios that do a
    lot of voice recording for radio and TV and educational media have at least
    one set up. If you throw a battery across the line... help me here somebody
    because I can't remember the voltage--- 45 VDC??.... you can take a line
    level feed through a couple of blocking capacitors without having to buy an
    expensive interface.

    Steve King
  11. Steve King wrote:

    > This method has always seemed to provide the most reliable results to me.
    > The part about the old bakelite dial phone is important. Those phones have
    > carbon mics as Bob pointed out, and it is those phones that established our
    > perception of what a phone voice should sound like. Most studios that do a
    > lot of voice recording for radio and TV and educational media have at least
    > one set up. If you throw a battery across the line... help me here somebody
    > because I can't remember the voltage--- 45 VDC??.... you can take a line
    > level feed through a couple of blocking capacitors without having to buy an
    > expensive interface.


    It's 48 vdc, positive ground if you want to get really picky, and yes,
    that works... though I've always preferred the "extra" treatment the
    telephone interface provides courtesy of an undersized transformer<G>
  12. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    I have NEVER been able to get anything close to as cool as the effect on Ian
    Anderon's vocal filter/whatever in Aqualung.




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    "I know enough to know I don't know enough"
  13. Hey what not build a microphone out of a telephone i know there was an article
    back awhile ago in tape op about this.
    Mike
  14. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <3F3CB519.AABA14D6@verizon.net> b.ross@verizon.net writes:

    > There are plenty of devices on the market that provide a telco RJ-11 to
    > line level audio interface. Just give your singer the shittiest old
    > bakelite phone with a rotary dial & carbon mic you can find, hork that into
    > a Gentner or JK Audio telephone hybrid interface, patch that into your
    > console and you're off.


    How about just having the singer phone in his part from home?


    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  15. On 15 Aug 2003 15:31:43 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
    wrote:

    >
    >In article <3F3CB519.AABA14D6@verizon.net> b.ross@verizon.net writes:
    >
    >> There are plenty of devices on the market that provide a telco RJ-11 to
    >> line level audio interface. Just give your singer the shittiest old
    >> bakelite phone with a rotary dial & carbon mic you can find, hork that into
    >> a Gentner or JK Audio telephone hybrid interface, patch that into your
    >> console and you're off.

    >
    >How about just having the singer phone in his part from home?



    You could use a Getner box. It takes the handset wire in and puts out
    line level. There are lot's of devices that will connect to the
    headset output and convert it out to line level. Even go the other way
    from line in-out through the same phone line.

    I use stuff like this when I client wants to monitor a voice over
    session via phone.

    bp.
  16. Guitarboy

    Guitarboy Guest

    In article <20030815130516.28604.00000056@mb-m18.aol.com>, EggHd
    <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > I have NEVER been able to get anything close to as cool as the effect on Ian
    > Anderon's vocal filter/whatever in Aqualung.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ---------------------------------------
    > "I know enough to know I don't know enough"

    You could sing into one ear piece of a set of headphones. plug it into
    a line level input.
  17. ....or from jail, as the singer from Bad Brains was alleged to have
    done on one of the tracks off of their 2nd record. I forget the tune,
    oh wait a Google search reminds me that it was "Sacred Love." Don't
    know if it's really from jail, but it works well for the track.

    mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:<znr1060965747k@trad>...
    > In article <3F3CB519.AABA14D6@verizon.net> b.ross@verizon.net writes:
    >
    > > There are plenty of devices on the market that provide a telco RJ-11 to
    > > line level audio interface. Just give your singer the shittiest old
    > > bakelite phone with a rotary dial & carbon mic you can find, hork that into
    > > a Gentner or JK Audio telephone hybrid interface, patch that into your
    > > console and you're off.

    >
    > How about just having the singer phone in his part from home?
  18. meriphew

    meriphew Guest

    You could use a Placid Audio Copperphone mic. Instant phone voice.

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