the difference between D/A converters and sound cards

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Digital Straits, Aug 31, 2003.

  1. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and converters
    , im currently running a delta 1010
    for sound but im not getting the sound im looking for everything sounds
    thin. I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the delta were crappie
    but could not suggest a fix for my problem. so my question is do I need to
    purchase a better converter or a better sound card or are they the same
    thing differnt name.
  2. Arny Krueger

    Arny Krueger Guest

    "Digital Straits" <digitalstraits@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and
    > converters , im currently running a delta 1010
    > for sound but im not getting the sound im looking for everything
    > sounds thin.


    Sound cards have converters. Their quality varies. If you're lucky you get
    what you pay for.

    >I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the
    > delta were crappie but could not suggest a fix for my problem.


    IMO he's a double dufus, but hey he's a sam ash salesman, right?

    He's a dufus once because the converters in Delta 1010s are really pretty
    good.

    He's a double dufus because there are cards with far better converters, such
    as the LynxTWO, which he should know about.

    >so my question is do I need to purchase a better converter or a better
    > sound card or are they the same thing different name.


    I suspect that your problems with everything sounding thin have little or
    nothing to do with your Delta 1010.
  3. Sugarite

    Sugarite Guest

    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and
    converters
    > , im currently running a delta 1010
    > for sound but im not getting the sound im looking for everything sounds
    > thin. I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the delta were

    crappie
    > but could not suggest a fix for my problem. so my question is do I need to
    > purchase a better converter or a better sound card or are they the same
    > thing differnt name.


    It's much more likely a matter of your mic(s) and mic preamp(s).
  4. "Sugarite" <nobody@home.com> wrote in message ...
    > > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and

    converters

    A sound card is simply a thing that gets audio to and from your computer.
    Converters do just what their name implies -- convert analog audio into
    digital data.

    > > , im currently running a delta 1010


    Pretty good sound card.

    > > thin. I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the delta were

    crappie

    Most Sam Ash employees aren't even musicians or involved with pro audio.
    They wouldn't know what a good converter was. He was trying to sell you
    something else with "good" converters.

    > > purchase a better converter or a better sound card or are they the same
    > > thing differnt name.


    The converters are in the sound cards. To upgrade to better converters,
    yes, you could buy a new sound card. Or you could use external A/D
    converters. They aren't cheap and your 1010 is not the problem (unless of
    course it's broken which I doubt).

    > It's much more likely a matter of your mic(s) and mic preamp(s).


    Agreed. Tell us what other gear you're using.
  5. Fletcher

    Fletcher Guest

    Digital Straits wrote:

    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and converters
    > , im currently running a delta 1010
    > for sound but im not getting the sound im looking for everything sounds
    > thin.


    That could be any of a variety of problems... from bad sounding conversion
    processes to a mediocre to poor signal chain... garbage microphones... lack of
    skills to achieve the desired results [buying a Stratocaster® doesn't make you
    Eric Clapton overnight]... etc.

    > I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the delta were crappie
    > but could not suggest a fix for my problem. so my question is do I need to
    > purchase a better converter or a better sound card or are they the same
    > thing differnt name.


    They're similar things... you need a 'soundcard' to interface with your
    computer... as long as the 'soundcard' accepts digital inputs and has digital
    outputs you can employ superior sounding "outboard converters" which should net
    you superior results.

    It's mostly a question of "need" [like if you're doing 'product' vs. doing
    'writing demos'... 'product' kinda demands better quality tools than 'writing
    demos' to assist in translating the emotion of the musical statement(s) where as
    'writing demos' are just about getting ideas recorded quickly and easily so you
    have your musical ideas sketched out prior to creating the 'product level
    presentation of your music].

    Best of luck with it.
    --
    Fletcher
    Mercenary Audio
    TEL: 508-543-0069
    FAX: 508-543-9670
    http://www.mercenary.com
    "this is not a problem"
  6. Om_Audio

    Om_Audio Guest

    Another improvement can be made with cards that have word clock sync- which
    is the addition of a high quality clock generator. I use a Lucid Genex96
    with my RME Multiface.

    Lot's of good info at www.digido.com - and his book is worth owning as well.

    C

    "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
    news:3Sh4b.290$6j5.139@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Sugarite" <nobody@home.com> wrote in message ...
    > > > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between sound cards and

    > converters
    >
    > A sound card is simply a thing that gets audio to and from your computer.
    > Converters do just what their name implies -- convert analog audio into
    > digital data.
    >
    > > > , im currently running a delta 1010

    >
    > Pretty good sound card.
    >
    > > > thin. I guy at sam ash told me that the converters in the delta were

    > crappie
    >
    > Most Sam Ash employees aren't even musicians or involved with pro audio.
    > They wouldn't know what a good converter was. He was trying to sell you
    > something else with "good" converters.
    >
    > > > purchase a better converter or a better sound card or are they the

    same
    > > > thing differnt name.

    >
    > The converters are in the sound cards. To upgrade to better converters,
    > yes, you could buy a new sound card. Or you could use external A/D
    > converters. They aren't cheap and your 1010 is not the problem (unless of
    > course it's broken which I doubt).
    >
    > > It's much more likely a matter of your mic(s) and mic preamp(s).

    >
    > Agreed. Tell us what other gear you're using.
    >
    >
  7. Om_Audio <clifsound@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > Another improvement can be made with cards that have word clock sync- which
    > is the addition of a high quality clock generator. I use a Lucid Genex96
    > with my RME Multiface.


    At the risk of rekindling an old debate that I've been fortunate enough
    to ignore, I have to ask what makes people think the designers of a
    digital circuit would fail to give due consideration to the internal
    clock generation, but somehow excel at providing the means to cleanly
    and accurately handle an incoming clock signal? Sorry, but it seems to
    me that the clock itself is the easy part. Getting an accurate timing
    signal out of one box and into another without messing it up has to be
    a lot more difficult. And common sense dictates that a product
    designer devote more attention to the former than the latter.

    Am I wrong, Dude?

    ulysses

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