The New Metallica Single

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by yambike1@aol.com, Aug 17, 2003.

  1. Metallica recently released a new single off their new album, I don't
    know what it's called. The guitars are out-of-tune, but not the way
    guitars are usually out-of-tune. It sounds suspiciously like the
    guitars were recorded in-tune and then one/some of them were detuned
    in Pro Tools. Synthetic rawness. One would love to be able to see into
    the producer's mind and see how that decision was made. It may have
    been something like, "Hmmmm... this riff is not very interesting, I'll
    just de-tune some of the guitars!!" Instant interesting. Now, I know
    that things like this have been happening for some time but this, in
    my opinion, takes it to another level. When Metallica started out,
    they were innovative and most of what made them innovative was the
    sound, and the way they played. These are things that the band brought
    to the table and the producer just enhanced it. Anything that is
    innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead. By
    the way, I haven't cared much for Metallica's music since the Black
    album. This is just an observation about the state of popular music.
  2. Ramtazz

    Ramtazz Guest

    On 17 Aug 2003 12:34:35 -0700, yambike1@aol.com wrote:

    I've been a Metallica Fan since No Life til Leather Demo,
    BUT... They Peaked at the Black album. Which was basically them going
    back to their roots.

    I agree the Snare sounds like crap, even worse sounding than Alex Van
    Halen's, and I thought NOTHING was worse than that.

    The band is NOT the effort it was. Jamez wrote 99% and Larz had 1%
    control.... now that Larz's head is bigger than the stage they played
    on back at Woodstock, its all molded around what he can or wants to
    play.

    Even the sound of the new CD isn't that good. And its the same
    producer... the band couldn't of changed its sound that much with a
    new bass player. Although I don't remember where this one was
    recorded, could be someone's home studio, and the black album was
    recorded at One on One on a SSL w/ Digital and Analog recorders.

    Since the black album, amps have gotten thicker and even POD has made
    it so you can get a mesa boogie sound into your sound card.

    Yeah modern music is depressing... The more Technologically advanced
    we get, the more music sounds like shit.

    Or is it the more money they can make off shit.... the better it
    sounds.

    *ponders that thought*

    Bill
    Rampage Sound Studios
    Lancaster, Pa

    >Metallica recently released a new single off their new album, I don't
    >know what it's called. The guitars are out-of-tune, but not the way
    >guitars are usually out-of-tune. It sounds suspiciously like the
    >guitars were recorded in-tune and then one/some of them were detuned
    >in Pro Tools. Synthetic rawness. One would love to be able to see into
    >the producer's mind and see how that decision was made. It may have
    >been something like, "Hmmmm... this riff is not very interesting, I'll
    >just de-tune some of the guitars!!" Instant interesting. Now, I know
    >that things like this have been happening for some time but this, in
    >my opinion, takes it to another level. When Metallica started out,
    >they were innovative and most of what made them innovative was the
    >sound, and the way they played. These are things that the band brought
    >to the table and the producer just enhanced it. Anything that is
    >innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    >Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    >the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    >the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    >I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    >not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    >playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead. By
    >the way, I haven't cared much for Metallica's music since the Black
    >album. This is just an observation about the state of popular music.
  3. Abyssmal

    Abyssmal Guest

    Metallica had their day, but it has been a few years since they had a
    good day it seems.

    I have always been a metal fan, from Black Sabbath, through Judas
    Priest, Iron Maiden up to the latest from Godsmack, Disturbed,etc.

    Metallica added a new dimension to metal music when they did their
    first few records.Maybe they can add another classic metal album to
    the mix, if they can overcome their problems, addictions, etc.

    Until then, I will listen to their old stuff.

    Randall



    On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:25:29 -0400, Ramtazz <ramtazz@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    >On 17 Aug 2003 12:34:35 -0700, yambike1@aol.com wrote:
    >
    >I've been a Metallica Fan since No Life til Leather Demo,
    >BUT... They Peaked at the Black album. Which was basically them going
    >back to their roots.
    >
    >I agree the Snare sounds like crap, even worse sounding than Alex Van
    >Halen's, and I thought NOTHING was worse than that.
    >
    >The band is NOT the effort it was. Jamez wrote 99% and Larz had 1%
    >control.... now that Larz's head is bigger than the stage they played
    >on back at Woodstock, its all molded around what he can or wants to
    >play.
    >
    >Even the sound of the new CD isn't that good. And its the same
    >producer... the band couldn't of changed its sound that much with a
    >new bass player. Although I don't remember where this one was
    >recorded, could be someone's home studio, and the black album was
    >recorded at One on One on a SSL w/ Digital and Analog recorders.
    >
    >Since the black album, amps have gotten thicker and even POD has made
    >it so you can get a mesa boogie sound into your sound card.
    >
    >Yeah modern music is depressing... The more Technologically advanced
    >we get, the more music sounds like shit.
    >
    >Or is it the more money they can make off shit.... the better it
    >sounds.
    >
    >*ponders that thought*
    >
    >Bill
    >Rampage Sound Studios
    >Lancaster, Pa
    >
    >>Metallica recently released a new single off their new album, I don't
    >>know what it's called. The guitars are out-of-tune, but not the way
    >>guitars are usually out-of-tune. It sounds suspiciously like the
    >>guitars were recorded in-tune and then one/some of them were detuned
    >>in Pro Tools. Synthetic rawness. One would love to be able to see into
    >>the producer's mind and see how that decision was made. It may have
    >>been something like, "Hmmmm... this riff is not very interesting, I'll
    >>just de-tune some of the guitars!!" Instant interesting. Now, I know
    >>that things like this have been happening for some time but this, in
    >>my opinion, takes it to another level. When Metallica started out,
    >>they were innovative and most of what made them innovative was the
    >>sound, and the way they played. These are things that the band brought
    >>to the table and the producer just enhanced it. Anything that is
    >>innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    >>Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    >>the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    >>the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    >>I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    >>not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    >>playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead. By
    >>the way, I haven't cared much for Metallica's music since the Black
    >>album. This is just an observation about the state of popular music.
  4. mine12u

    mine12u Guest

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    > Anything that is
    > innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    > Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    > the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    > the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    > I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    > not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    > playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead.
  5. Andrew M.

    Andrew M. Guest

    I saw an interview with Bob Rock and he was saying that the new
    Metallica CD was done in ProTools.

    Lars' drums have never sounded great. Lars appears to be one of those
    drummers that hits his hi hat and cymbals WAY harder than his drums. I
    think that's why Bob Rock replaced the drums on the Black Album with
    samples and supposedly used a 50/50 mix of samples and drums on Reload.
    The new CD sounds like real drums. I don't like the drum sound either,
    but I do enjoy that they are trying new things.

    I picked up the remix of the Black album on DVD(surround) and everything
    sounds way better than the original release.

    Metallica has always been more about performance and songs to me than
    about sonics and I bet Bob Rock has a really tough time getting them to
    do anything. They seem like they are pretty dam stubborn and not open to
    "advice" from others.

    The thing that bother me most about the first single from the new CD is
    the snare sound, very ringy and the CRACK just isn't there. I bet Bob
    Rock wanted to change the snare but Lars said NO!




    Ramtazz wrote:
    > On 17 Aug 2003 12:34:35 -0700, yambike1@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > I've been a Metallica Fan since No Life til Leather Demo,
    > BUT... They Peaked at the Black album. Which was basically them going
    > back to their roots.
    >
    > I agree the Snare sounds like crap, even worse sounding than Alex Van
    > Halen's, and I thought NOTHING was worse than that.
    >
    > The band is NOT the effort it was. Jamez wrote 99% and Larz had 1%
    > control.... now that Larz's head is bigger than the stage they played
    > on back at Woodstock, its all molded around what he can or wants to
    > play.
    >
    > Even the sound of the new CD isn't that good. And its the same
    > producer... the band couldn't of changed its sound that much with a
    > new bass player. Although I don't remember where this one was
    > recorded, could be someone's home studio, and the black album was
    > recorded at One on One on a SSL w/ Digital and Analog recorders.
    >
    > Since the black album, amps have gotten thicker and even POD has made
    > it so you can get a mesa boogie sound into your sound card.
    >
    > Yeah modern music is depressing... The more Technologically advanced
    > we get, the more music sounds like shit.
    >
    > Or is it the more money they can make off shit.... the better it
    > sounds.
    >
    > *ponders that thought*
    >
    > Bill
    > Rampage Sound Studios
    > Lancaster, Pa
    >
    >
    >>Metallica recently released a new single off their new album, I don't
    >>know what it's called. The guitars are out-of-tune, but not the way
    >>guitars are usually out-of-tune. It sounds suspiciously like the
    >>guitars were recorded in-tune and then one/some of them were detuned
    >>in Pro Tools. Synthetic rawness. One would love to be able to see into
    >>the producer's mind and see how that decision was made. It may have
    >>been something like, "Hmmmm... this riff is not very interesting, I'll
    >>just de-tune some of the guitars!!" Instant interesting. Now, I know
    >>that things like this have been happening for some time but this, in
    >>my opinion, takes it to another level. When Metallica started out,
    >>they were innovative and most of what made them innovative was the
    >>sound, and the way they played. These are things that the band brought
    >>to the table and the producer just enhanced it. Anything that is
    >>innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    >>Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    >>the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    >>the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    >>I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    >>not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    >>playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead. By
    >>the way, I haven't cared much for Metallica's music since the Black
    >>album. This is just an observation about the state of popular music.

    >
    >
  6. As an young studio engineer, Ive started looking into mixes too much... So
    much at times that it hurts... But the new metallica album is great to me...
    I dont have to sit there and wonder how they got the kick so tight or the
    snare so real because.. well... they're not... The only thing that pisses me
    off is there's no solos...

    Ryan



    "Ramtazz" <ramtazz@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:lot3kvg2huvdh0c325dacdrjuq3l205sun@4ax.com...
    > On 17 Aug 2003 12:34:35 -0700, yambike1@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > I've been a Metallica Fan since No Life til Leather Demo,
    > BUT... They Peaked at the Black album. Which was basically them going
    > back to their roots.
    >
    > I agree the Snare sounds like crap, even worse sounding than Alex Van
    > Halen's, and I thought NOTHING was worse than that.
    >
    > The band is NOT the effort it was. Jamez wrote 99% and Larz had 1%
    > control.... now that Larz's head is bigger than the stage they played
    > on back at Woodstock, its all molded around what he can or wants to
    > play.
    >
    > Even the sound of the new CD isn't that good. And its the same
    > producer... the band couldn't of changed its sound that much with a
    > new bass player. Although I don't remember where this one was
    > recorded, could be someone's home studio, and the black album was
    > recorded at One on One on a SSL w/ Digital and Analog recorders.
    >
    > Since the black album, amps have gotten thicker and even POD has made
    > it so you can get a mesa boogie sound into your sound card.
    >
    > Yeah modern music is depressing... The more Technologically advanced
    > we get, the more music sounds like shit.
    >
    > Or is it the more money they can make off shit.... the better it
    > sounds.
    >
    > *ponders that thought*
    >
    > Bill
    > Rampage Sound Studios
    > Lancaster, Pa
    >
    > >Metallica recently released a new single off their new album, I don't
    > >know what it's called. The guitars are out-of-tune, but not the way
    > >guitars are usually out-of-tune. It sounds suspiciously like the
    > >guitars were recorded in-tune and then one/some of them were detuned
    > >in Pro Tools. Synthetic rawness. One would love to be able to see into
    > >the producer's mind and see how that decision was made. It may have
    > >been something like, "Hmmmm... this riff is not very interesting, I'll
    > >just de-tune some of the guitars!!" Instant interesting. Now, I know
    > >that things like this have been happening for some time but this, in
    > >my opinion, takes it to another level. When Metallica started out,
    > >they were innovative and most of what made them innovative was the
    > >sound, and the way they played. These are things that the band brought
    > >to the table and the producer just enhanced it. Anything that is
    > >innovative about this new album seems to be brought by the producer.
    > >Pseudo trashy snare sounds and guitars that are made out-of-tune after
    > >the fact. The magic is created in editing and in the mix instead of in
    > >the musical performance. I'm sure that more bands will cop this sound.
    > >I'm trying to put my finger on what bothers me about this song. It's
    > >not really the guitar sound. It's just another example of how "live"
    > >playing and good musicianship and creativity is just about dead. By
    > >the way, I haven't cared much for Metallica's music since the Black
    > >album. This is just an observation about the state of popular music.

    >
  7. balt4house

    balt4house Guest

    Soloz? We don't need no stinkin SOLOS!

    Seriously, label execs might pass out if they heard a solo. WTF was thaT?
    That sir is a guitar solo...

    They can do those things? I thought we killed all those f-ers off!

    (not claiming I miss them by the way... ala Malmsteen)

    -g


    "Ryan Richards \(Diesel Breath\)" <joshakrohn@cox.net> wrote in
    news:naz0b.36973$Ij4.5330@news2.central.cox.net:

    > As an young studio engineer, Ive started looking into mixes too
    > much... So much at times that it hurts... But the new metallica album
    > is great to me... I dont have to sit there and wonder how they got the
    > kick so tight or the snare so real because.. well... they're not...
    > The only thing that pisses me off is there's no solos...
    >
    > Ryan
    >

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