The old drummer is out

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Rob Adelman, Aug 26, 2003.

  1. Rob Adelman

    Rob Adelman Guest

    Useless unreliable drunk. I don't have time for that anymore. Anyone in
    the Twin Cities want to start a band with me?
  2. "Rob Adelman" <SPAMLESSradelman@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
    > Useless unreliable drunk. I don't have time for that anymore. Anyone in
    > the Twin Cities want to start a band with me?


    We just fired our drummer who couldn't keep time. In my other band we are
    in the process of firing our guitarist who can't remember shit. I feel for
    you. Good drummers are hard to come by.
  3. Psy

    Psy Guest

    "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> lost his marbles in
    news:GUB2b.14$EN4.9@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com:

    > In my other band we are
    > in the process of firing our guitarist who can't remember shit.


    When you do fire him, make it memorable or he'll turn up for the next gig.
    <g>

    --
    Paul Russell
    Muso, Producer, Songwriter, Renowned Wit and all round Egotist
    www.calamitypop.com
  4. Bryson

    Bryson Guest

    Psy wrote:

    > "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> lost his marbles in
    > news:GUB2b.14$EN4.9@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com:
    >
    >
    >> In my other band we are
    >>in the process of firing our guitarist who can't remember shit.

    >
    >
    > When you do fire him, make it memorable or he'll turn up for the next gig.
    > <g>


    .......without his shit.
    >
  5. "Psy" <spamcrazydude@spamaneggs.com> wrote in message
    > When you do fire him, make it memorable or he'll turn up for the next gig.


    We were afraid of that with the last guitarist we fired. Every practice for
    a couple of weeks or so we were thinking, "Is he going to show up? Did that
    dumbass get the hint?"
  6. Don't advertise for a player, go find a good player and then steal him/her
    away. Be proactive. I'm sure you can find a player if you hit enough
    clubs.

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "Rob Adelman" <SPAMLESSradelman@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:bieddh$8ffr2$3@ID-75267.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > Useless unreliable drunk. I don't have time for that anymore. Anyone in
    > the Twin Cities want to start a band with me?
    >
  7. Just give him a memo that says "This is a list of CURRENT band members.
    Please note that YOU ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT band member's list. This list
    of CURRENT band members superscedes all other lists where you were on the
    list. If your name is on a list, that list is not current, so currently,
    you are not on the list of CURRENT band members."

    Sorry, comes from years of government contracting where, when writing
    technical papers, I used to have to tell them what I was going to tell them
    and where, then tell them, then tell them I told them and where I told them.
    Makes for a lot of redundant writing, but ultimately it does get the idea
    across.

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
    news:khI2b.51$gu.1@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Psy" <spamcrazydude@spamaneggs.com> wrote in message
    > > When you do fire him, make it memorable or he'll turn up for the next

    gig.
    >
    > We were afraid of that with the last guitarist we fired. Every practice

    for
    > a couple of weeks or so we were thinking, "Is he going to show up? Did

    that
    > dumbass get the hint?"
    >
    >
  8. Analogeezer

    Analogeezer Guest

    "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<khI2b.51$gu.1@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>...
    > "Psy" <spamcrazydude@spamaneggs.com> wrote in message
    > > When you do fire him, make it memorable or he'll turn up for the next gig.

    >
    > We were afraid of that with the last guitarist we fired. Every practice for
    > a couple of weeks or so we were thinking, "Is he going to show up? Did that
    > dumbass get the hint?"


    We once fired a keyboard player by having me show up at his house with
    his gear in my truck after he got back from a cruise with his
    girlfriend.

    I know that sounds ****** but the guy was a real ace. He got a $75k
    lawsuit settlement after 18 months of talking about all the gear he
    was gonna buy when he got his lawsuit money. Prio to this he had me
    talk to stores, get some quotes, even special ordered a heavy duty
    keyboard stand.

    Then the guy got cold feet (he was going to spend about $5000) and
    proceeded to blow twice that much on his girlfriend and the cruise.

    He didn't even give me the $175 for the stand after it came in (the
    salesguy was calling me, going "hey dude you stand is in")

    6 months later the money was gone and so was the girlfriend shortly
    after that.

    She dropped him off at the hospital, he was having major surgery the
    next day and she went down to FL, hooked up with a surfer dude and
    starting boinking the surfer dude.

    Actually the whole thing was one of those "all for the better things"
    because I had wanted to get out of that band, the keyboard guy was a
    flake and a drunk, the drummer was a drunk too, and the guitar player
    acquired a pretty bad substance abuse problem...to the point where his
    wife called and told me not to bail him out of jail...

    So I had wanted to get out of the band anyway, so firing the keyboard
    player just set the whole process in motion.

    Funny how people you fire from bands are always so shocked....like
    they don't have a clue that they suck, or have personal problems, or
    are just not getting it.

    I think drunk drummers are about the worst...talk about a great way to
    destroy a groove or muck up a tempo....

    Analogeezer

    p.s. BIG HINT about prospective band members...if they are living at
    home and over 30, that's a flashing neon sign for trouble ahead.
  9. Analogeezer

    Analogeezer Guest

    Rob Adelman <SPAMLESSradelman@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:<bieddh$8ffr2$3@ID-75267.news.uni-berlin.de>...
    > Useless unreliable drunk. I don't have time for that anymore. Anyone in
    > the Twin Cities want to start a band with me?



    Hey I played in a band with that guy...several of them in fact <g>

    The last drunk drummer I played with had not changed his heads since
    Jimmy Carter was president. He had a nice vintage Premier set but I
    don't think he'd changed the heads since he purchased it (in the
    70's).

    This was only four years ago...

    Analogeezer

    p.s. The guy previous to this drunk drummer was a drunk drummer too.
    He just stopped coming to practice one night and never called and
    never came back. Three years later I talked to his brother, who
    confirmed that he was still alive (we thought maybe he had died but
    nobody had ever told us) but explained "well ya know how flaky Robert
    can be....he did that to my band and he's my own brother"
  10. "Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
    > We once fired a keyboard player by having me show up at his house with
    > his gear in my truck after he got back from a cruise with his
    > girlfriend.
    > I know that sounds ****** but the guy was a real ace.


    No, it doesn't. We had two guitarists, they were friends. We decided to
    fire one and the other one let us know (a little too late) that they had
    once been in a band together. They practiced at this guy's house (the one
    we fired), and one night they just moved practice and never told the other
    guy. So now we're firing the second guitarist. With Guitarist #1 we told
    him to meet us at a coffee shop and that's where we gave him the ax (and not
    a new guitar). We're thinking about calling Guitarist #2 and telling him,
    "Meet us at The Edge; we have some things we need to discuss." <evil laugh>

    > Funny how people you fire from bands are always so shocked....like
    > they don't have a clue that they suck, or have personal problems, or
    > are just not getting it.


    We've been playing the same damn songs since February and our guitarist is
    wondering why we don't seem to be progressing. And every time I want to
    tell him........

    Okay, I'm finished.
  11. Eric Toline

    Eric Toline Guest

    Not being involved in the music recording side of the business, I wonder
    do flakes & drunks become musicians or the other way round?

    Eric
  12. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Rob Adelman" <SPAMLESSradelman@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:bieddh$8ffr2$3@ID-75267.news.uni-berlin.de...
    >
    > Useless unreliable drunk.
    >

    Add "waste of life" and you're describing 99% of the musicians I've ever
    met.

    > I don't have time for that anymore. Anyone in
    > the Twin Cities want to start a band with me?
    >

    Good luck with that. We have to change drummers about every 6 months
    because of that, and we're a steady gigging band with a good reputation. By
    the time we get the new drummer ramped up and comfortable with us, it's time
    to start looking for a new one. Fortunately, we have a core group of members
    who are reliable and willing to put in the effort required, but those would
    be myself, my two brothers who are the guitar players, and the keyboard
    player, who has played in whatever band I was in for the past decade. So our
    rhythm section changes about every 6 months, which really has the effect of
    keeping us from graduating to higher paying gigs. It's frustrating, to say
    the least.

    ryanm
  13. NeilH011

    NeilH011 Guest

    >Just give him a memo that says "This is a list of CURRENT band members.
    >Please note that YOU ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT band member's list. This list
    >of CURRENT band members superscedes all other lists where you were on the
    >list. If your name is on a list, that list is not current, so currently,
    >you are not on the list of CURRENT band members."


    Yeah, but then he could show up next week & say: "But you didn't tell me I
    wasn't on the list of FUTURE band members!" :)

    NeilH
  14. LLLindblad

    LLLindblad Guest

    Whatever happened to just FUCK OFF?
    laters
    tuna


    >Just give him a memo that says "This is a list of CURRENT band members.
    >Please note that YOU ARE NOT ON THE CURRENT band member's list. This list
    >of CURRENT band members superscedes all other lists where you were on the
    >list. If your name is on a list, that list is not current, so currently,
    >you are not on the list of CURRENT band members."
    >


    >Sorry, comes from years of government contracting where, when writing
    >technical papers, I used to have to tell them what I was going to tell them
    >and where, then tell them, then tell them I told them and where I told them.
    >Makes for a lot of redundant writing, but ultimately it does get the idea
    >across.
    >
  15. Ted Spencer

    Ted Spencer Guest

    Roger Norman wrote:

    << comes from years of government contracting where, when writing
    technical papers, I used to have to tell them what I was going to tell them
    and where, then tell them, then tell them I told them and where I told them. >>

    That's why it's called "government work"


    Ted Spencer, NYC

    "No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
    "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown
  16. Rob Adelman

    Rob Adelman Guest

    Roger W. Norman wrote:

    >
    > So even if you have a group of talented people it doesn't mean it will
    > really be a group. Can be pretty frustrating.
    >


    Yes it is rare when everything just clicks. Of course then usually
    somebody dies..
  17. Hey, it happens. I was playing with a group of reasonably talented people,
    mostly from slightly different genres of music, but it should have worked.
    I couldn't get that group of people to work as a group at all. Virtually
    nothing came together and I basically had to pack up their equipment and ask
    them to leave. Too fricking depressing. A guitar player who uses fake
    books and can play well, or doesn't use fake books and can't play a lick.
    Very strange. A bass player from jazz but didn't understand rock. He got
    reggae alright though! <g>

    So even if you have a group of talented people it doesn't mean it will
    really be a group. Can be pretty frustrating.

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
    news:pRO2b.392$YR7.364@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
    > > We once fired a keyboard player by having me show up at his house with
    > > his gear in my truck after he got back from a cruise with his
    > > girlfriend.
    > > I know that sounds ****** but the guy was a real ace.

    >
    > No, it doesn't. We had two guitarists, they were friends. We decided to
    > fire one and the other one let us know (a little too late) that they had
    > once been in a band together. They practiced at this guy's house (the one
    > we fired), and one night they just moved practice and never told the other
    > guy. So now we're firing the second guitarist. With Guitarist #1 we told
    > him to meet us at a coffee shop and that's where we gave him the ax (and

    not
    > a new guitar). We're thinking about calling Guitarist #2 and telling him,
    > "Meet us at The Edge; we have some things we need to discuss." <evil

    laugh>
    >
    > > Funny how people you fire from bands are always so shocked....like
    > > they don't have a clue that they suck, or have personal problems, or
    > > are just not getting it.

    >
    > We've been playing the same damn songs since February and our guitarist is
    > wondering why we don't seem to be progressing. And every time I want to
    > tell him........
    >
    > Okay, I'm finished.
    >
    >

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