Update on the Ludwig veneer saga

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Anthony Giampa, Aug 18, 2003.

  1. A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.

    The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report this
    here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off of
    my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
    burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable, right?)
    that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would have
    to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
    heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
    spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
    sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot, but
    POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted wrap.
    The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to get
    my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the wrap
    at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
    freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes I
    got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches of
    wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.

    The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home on
    Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then I
    got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free up
    that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
    badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of the
    seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
    screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
    found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar to
    seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
    and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
    hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much of
    the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and forth
    down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no future
    woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if you
    know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
    plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was too
    late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
    work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.

    So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping' part
    of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
    floor tom.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
  2. Anthony,

    If I had been keeping up with this thread I could have warned you about the
    flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap. Standard operating procedure for me is to
    take the drum outside, start the wrap burning with a heat bun and then knock
    it off the drum as it smolders away. That is some very toxic stuff. This is
    true with any drum from the mid sixties or before. I used to have customers
    who would come to my old shop in Mississippi just to see the drums burn! You
    need to investigate all this over at drumrap.com or at Ronn's drumbuilder
    site before starting on a new project with old drums. There are lots of
    different ways to screw up a vintage project. This forum is NOT the place to
    ask for advice on repairing old drums. (Sorry guys, but the real experienced
    experts at this don't hang out here).

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    >
    > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report

    this
    > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off

    of
    > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
    > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,

    right?)
    > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would

    have
    > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
    > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
    > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
    > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,

    but
    > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    wrap.
    > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to

    get
    > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the

    wrap
    > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
    > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes

    I
    > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches

    of
    > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
    >
    > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home

    on
    > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then

    I
    > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free

    up
    > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
    > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of

    the
    > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
    > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
    > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar

    to
    > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
    > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
    > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much

    of
    > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and

    forth
    > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no

    future
    > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if

    you
    > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
    > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was

    too
    > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
    > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
    >
    > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'

    part
    > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
    > floor tom.
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    >
  3. BKO

    BKO Guest

    Now THIS is information that is really good to know.

    BKO

    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:FT40b.8980$Ih1.3245720@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...

    > flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap.


    >see the drums burn!
  4. Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
    > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.


    > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
    > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot, but
    > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted wrap.
    > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to get
    > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the wrap
    > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
    > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes I
    > got back to work, being extra super careful.


    How old is this drum, Ant? This sounds a lot like nitrocellulose wrap!
    That is VERY nasty stuff. Used to be the bane of movie houses. Film
    would stick in the gate and the heat from the lamp would create a
    hugmongous fire like instantly! A movie-collecting friend of mine and I
    one set off a pile of it in his driveway. An AMAZING fire! Just be glad
    you only had a small piece there to burn!

    Yes, BE EXTRA SUPER CAREFUL!!!

    Benj
  5. JaKe

    JaKe Guest

    Anthony Giampa wrote:
    > Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
    > floor tom.


    That floor tom is HOT!


    --
    JaKe, Seattle
    "The monk bought lunch"
    Jim Morrison
  6. Dennis B.

    Dennis B. Guest

    in article 3F40F11D.909D02AC@NOSPAMyahoo.com, JaKe at
    jkdrummer@NOSPAMyahoo.com wrote on 18-08-2003 17:30:

    > Anthony Giampa wrote:
    >> Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
    >> floor tom.

    >
    > That floor tom is HOT!
    >


    I don't think that's the way to achieve a satin FLAME finish...

    Be careful Ant, celuloid is nasty stuff.

    grtz!

    Dennis B.
  7. dpobrien

    dpobrien Guest

    I know everyone's being serious right now, but I gotta tell ya Anthony, the
    way you've been telling this little tale is funny as heck. Yes yes I know,
    sudden balls of flame are not humorous. But the way the story's been told
    is.............I keep getting this image of blackened face, hair standing
    straight up, mouth hanging open..........you tell a good yarn Ant...........
  8. BlueM0ZARK

    BlueM0ZARK Guest

    < That floor tom is HOT! >

    nobody know it, but this is the floor tom from the last Great White concert...
  9. George, I am VERY aware of the flammability of the old wrap. It's just that
    I didn't have a large problem getting the wrap off of my 13" drum, so I
    thought 'well, maybe it's not as flammable as they said it was'. So even
    though I was prepared for something, it still caught me off guard. All is
    well though, so, all I can do is be a little more careful.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:FT40b.8980$Ih1.3245720@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > Anthony,
    >
    > If I had been keeping up with this thread I could have warned you about

    the
    > flammable pre-OSHA plastic wrap. Standard operating procedure for me is to
    > take the drum outside, start the wrap burning with a heat bun and then

    knock
    > it off the drum as it smolders away. That is some very toxic stuff. This

    is
    > true with any drum from the mid sixties or before. I used to have

    customers
    > who would come to my old shop in Mississippi just to see the drums burn!

    You
    > need to investigate all this over at drumrap.com or at Ronn's drumbuilder
    > site before starting on a new project with old drums. There are lots of
    > different ways to screw up a vintage project. This forum is NOT the place

    to
    > ask for advice on repairing old drums. (Sorry guys, but the real

    experienced
    > experts at this don't hang out here).
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > >
    > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report

    > this
    > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap

    off
    > of
    > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
    > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,

    > right?)
    > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would

    > have
    > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,

    and
    > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have

    a
    > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still

    not
    > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,

    > but
    > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    > wrap.
    > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to

    > get
    > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the

    > wrap
    > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was

    pretty
    > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few

    minutes
    > I
    > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more

    inches
    > of
    > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
    > >
    > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being

    home
    > on
    > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.

    Then
    > I
    > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free

    > up
    > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
    > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of

    > the
    > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
    > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in.

    I
    > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,

    similar
    > to
    > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the

    screwdrivver,
    > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily

    I
    > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much

    > of
    > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and

    > forth
    > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no

    > future
    > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if

    > you
    > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
    > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was

    > too
    > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
    > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
    > >
    > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'

    > part
    > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-

    16"
    > > floor tom.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  10. It's only 60's wrap.

    Yea, I'm a projectionist Ben, and I've heard of the old film stock stuff.
    Our polyester film nowadays is pretty good. If it gets caught in the gate,
    the light from the lamp (anywhere from 4 to 10K watts) is focused so
    strongly through the aperture plate that it ends up only roasting that
    single frame. That sentence is worded wierd, but I just woke up and I don't
    want to re-type it...

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    <bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
    news:bhqo1m$s8s$2@tribune.oar.net...
    > Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
    > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.

    >
    > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still

    not
    > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,

    but
    > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    wrap.
    > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to

    get
    > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the

    wrap
    > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was

    pretty
    > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few

    minutes I
    > > got back to work, being extra super careful.

    >
    > How old is this drum, Ant? This sounds a lot like nitrocellulose wrap!
    > That is VERY nasty stuff. Used to be the bane of movie houses. Film
    > would stick in the gate and the heat from the lamp would create a
    > hugmongous fire like instantly! A movie-collecting friend of mine and I
    > one set off a pile of it in his driveway. An AMAZING fire! Just be glad
    > you only had a small piece there to burn!
    >
    > Yes, BE EXTRA SUPER CAREFUL!!!
    >
    > Benj
    >
  11. Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
    forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this to
    the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly be
    the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I said
    'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I upped
    some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding tomorrow
    on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling and
    another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to take
    contact cement.

    Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer? The
    directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement, but I
    don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would just
    create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat each
    always works with plastic wrap...

    I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going to
    bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work surface.
    It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has a
    perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should be a
    snap.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    >
    > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report

    this
    > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap off

    of
    > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
    > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,

    right?)
    > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would

    have
    > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds, and
    > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have a
    > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still not
    > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,

    but
    > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    wrap.
    > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to

    get
    > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the

    wrap
    > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was pretty
    > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few minutes

    I
    > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more inches

    of
    > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
    >
    > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being home

    on
    > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV. Then

    I
    > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free

    up
    > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
    > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of

    the
    > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
    > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in. I
    > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound, similar

    to
    > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the screwdrivver,
    > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily I
    > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much

    of
    > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and

    forth
    > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no

    future
    > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if

    you
    > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
    > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was

    too
    > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
    > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
    >
    > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'

    part
    > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred- 16"
    > floor tom.
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    >
  12. If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
    adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise mock
    up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
    > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this to
    > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly be
    > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I

    said
    > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I

    upped
    > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding

    tomorrow
    > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling

    and
    > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to

    take
    > contact cement.
    >
    > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer?

    The
    > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement, but

    I
    > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would

    just
    > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat each
    > always works with plastic wrap...
    >
    > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going to
    > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work

    surface.
    > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has a
    > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should be

    a
    > snap.
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > >
    > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report

    > this
    > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap

    off
    > of
    > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple minor
    > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,

    > right?)
    > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I would

    > have
    > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,

    and
    > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I have

    a
    > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still

    not
    > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same spot,

    > but
    > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    > wrap.
    > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of the
    > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able to

    > get
    > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit, the

    > wrap
    > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was

    pretty
    > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was REALLY
    > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few

    minutes
    > I
    > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more

    inches
    > of
    > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up tomorrow.
    > >
    > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being

    home
    > on
    > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.

    Then
    > I
    > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least free

    > up
    > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs and
    > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both of

    > the
    > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a flathead
    > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip in.

    I
    > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,

    similar
    > to
    > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the

    screwdrivver,
    > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply. Luckily

    I
    > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with much

    > of
    > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and

    > forth
    > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no

    > future
    > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as if

    > you
    > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the shell
    > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it was

    > too
    > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get to
    > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
    > >
    > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the 'wrapping'

    > part
    > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-

    16"
    > > floor tom.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  13. You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around? I
    actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
    center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what you're
    saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
    one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
    off...

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
    > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise

    mock
    > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was taking
    > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this

    to
    > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to constantly

    be
    > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I

    > said
    > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I

    > upped
    > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding

    > tomorrow
    > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more filling

    > and
    > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to

    > take
    > > contact cement.
    > >
    > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of veneer?

    > The
    > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement,

    but
    > I
    > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would

    > just
    > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat

    each
    > > always works with plastic wrap...
    > >
    > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going

    to
    > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work

    > surface.
    > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also has

    a
    > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application should

    be
    > a
    > > snap.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > > >
    > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to report

    > > this
    > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the wrap

    > off
    > > of
    > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple

    minor
    > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,

    > > right?)
    > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I

    would
    > > have
    > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few seconds,

    > and
    > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I

    have
    > a
    > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm still

    > not
    > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same

    spot,
    > > but
    > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed uplifted

    > > wrap.
    > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of

    the
    > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was able

    to
    > > get
    > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit,

    the
    > > wrap
    > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was

    > pretty
    > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was

    REALLY
    > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few

    > minutes
    > > I
    > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more

    > inches
    > > of
    > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up

    tomorrow.
    > > >
    > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on Sunday
    > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being

    > home
    > > on
    > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.

    > Then
    > > I
    > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least

    free
    > > up
    > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs

    and
    > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both

    of
    > > the
    > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a

    flathead
    > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip

    in.
    > I
    > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,

    > similar
    > > to
    > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the

    > screwdrivver,
    > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.

    Luckily
    > I
    > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with

    much
    > > of
    > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back and

    > > forth
    > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is how
    > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no

    > > future
    > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as

    if
    > > you
    > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the

    shell
    > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it

    was
    > > too
    > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and get

    to
    > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as hell.
    > > >
    > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the

    'wrapping'
    > > part
    > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly charred-

    > 16"
    > > > floor tom.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  14. It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
    underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the most
    important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier to
    align. Measure once, cut twice :)

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
    > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around? I
    > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
    > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what

    you're
    > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
    > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
    > off...
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
    > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise

    > mock
    > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > > George's Drum Shop
    > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > 330 670 0800
    > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > >
    > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > -Chinese proverb
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was

    taking
    > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute this

    > to
    > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to

    constantly
    > be
    > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So I

    > > said
    > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure I

    > > upped
    > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding

    > > tomorrow
    > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more

    filling
    > > and
    > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready to

    > > take
    > > > contact cement.
    > > >
    > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of

    veneer?
    > > The
    > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of cement,

    > but
    > > I
    > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it would

    > > just
    > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat

    > each
    > > > always works with plastic wrap...
    > > >
    > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm going

    > to
    > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work

    > > surface.
    > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also

    has
    > a
    > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application

    should
    > be
    > > a
    > > > snap.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > > > >
    > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to

    report
    > > > this
    > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage, but
    > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the

    wrap
    > > off
    > > > of
    > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple

    > minor
    > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and unuseable,
    > > > right?)
    > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I

    > would
    > > > have
    > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few

    seconds,
    > > and
    > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I

    > have
    > > a
    > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm

    still
    > > not
    > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same

    > spot,
    > > > but
    > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed

    uplifted
    > > > wrap.
    > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out of

    > the
    > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was

    able
    > to
    > > > get
    > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a bit,

    > the
    > > > wrap
    > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was

    > > pretty
    > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was

    > REALLY
    > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few

    > > minutes
    > > > I
    > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more

    > > inches
    > > > of
    > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up

    > tomorrow.
    > > > >
    > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on

    Sunday
    > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy from
    > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually being

    > > home
    > > > on
    > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on TV.

    > > Then
    > > > I
    > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at least

    > free
    > > > up
    > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and spurs

    > and
    > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or both

    > of
    > > > the
    > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a

    > flathead
    > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to slip

    > in.
    > > I
    > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,

    > > similar
    > > > to
    > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the

    > > screwdrivver,
    > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.

    > Luckily
    > > I
    > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam with

    > much
    > > > of
    > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back

    and
    > > > forth
    > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is

    how
    > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss, no
    > > > future
    > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish, as

    > if
    > > > you
    > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the

    > shell
    > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time it

    > was
    > > > too
    > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and

    get
    > to
    > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as

    hell.
    > > > >
    > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the

    > 'wrapping'
    > > > part
    > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly

    charred-
    > > 16"
    > > > > floor tom.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  15. Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?

    I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When I
    tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on my
    applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
    it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the color
    of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
    putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
    difference...

    If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
    myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least overnight
    to begin any varnishing.

    BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
    > underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the

    most
    > important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier

    to
    > align. Measure once, cut twice :)
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
    > > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way around?

    I
    > > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
    > > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what

    > you're
    > > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
    > > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap back
    > > off...
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and only
    > > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more precise

    > > mock
    > > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > George Lawrence
    > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > >
    > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was

    > taking
    > > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute

    this
    > > to
    > > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to

    > constantly
    > > be
    > > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless). So

    I
    > > > said
    > > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style. Sure

    I
    > > > upped
    > > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
    > > > tomorrow
    > > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more

    > filling
    > > > and
    > > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be ready

    to
    > > > take
    > > > > contact cement.
    > > > >
    > > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of

    > veneer?
    > > > The
    > > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of

    cement,
    > > but
    > > > I
    > > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it

    would
    > > > just
    > > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One coat

    > > each
    > > > > always works with plastic wrap...
    > > > >
    > > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm

    going
    > > to
    > > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
    > > > surface.
    > > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer also

    > has
    > > a
    > > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application

    > should
    > > be
    > > > a
    > > > > snap.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to

    > report
    > > > > this
    > > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage,

    but
    > > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the

    > wrap
    > > > off
    > > > > of
    > > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a couple

    > > minor
    > > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and

    unuseable,
    > > > > right?)
    > > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing I

    > > would
    > > > > have
    > > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few

    > seconds,
    > > > and
    > > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus I

    > > have
    > > > a
    > > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm

    > still
    > > > not
    > > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the same

    > > spot,
    > > > > but
    > > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed

    > uplifted
    > > > > wrap.
    > > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran out

    of
    > > the
    > > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was

    > able
    > > to
    > > > > get
    > > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a

    bit,
    > > the
    > > > > wrap
    > > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I was
    > > > pretty
    > > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was

    > > REALLY
    > > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a few
    > > > minutes
    > > > > I
    > > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few more
    > > > inches
    > > > > of
    > > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up

    > > tomorrow.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on

    > Sunday
    > > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy

    from
    > > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually

    being
    > > > home
    > > > > on
    > > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on

    TV.
    > > > Then
    > > > > I
    > > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at

    least
    > > free
    > > > > up
    > > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and

    spurs
    > > and
    > > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or

    both
    > > of
    > > > > the
    > > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a

    > > flathead
    > > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to

    slip
    > > in.
    > > > I
    > > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack' sound,
    > > > similar
    > > > > to
    > > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
    > > > screwdrivver,
    > > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.

    > > Luckily
    > > > I
    > > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam

    with
    > > much
    > > > > of
    > > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver back

    > and
    > > > > forth
    > > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS is

    > how
    > > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No fuss,

    no
    > > > > future
    > > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE finish,

    as
    > > if
    > > > > you
    > > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of the

    > > shell
    > > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this time

    it
    > > was
    > > > > too
    > > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife and

    > get
    > > to
    > > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as

    > hell.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the

    > > 'wrapping'
    > > > > part
    > > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly

    > charred-
    > > > 16"
    > > > > > floor tom.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  16. "If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
    myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least overnight
    to begin any varnishing."

    I agree.


    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:Cik0b.10698$nf3.5004@fed1read07...
    > Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?
    >
    > I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When I
    > tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on

    my
    > applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
    > it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the

    color
    > of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
    > putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
    > difference...
    >
    > If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
    > myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least

    overnight
    > to begin any varnishing.
    >
    > BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
    > > underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the

    > most
    > > important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be easier

    > to
    > > align. Measure once, cut twice :)
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > > George's Drum Shop
    > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > 330 670 0800
    > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > >
    > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > -Chinese proverb
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
    > > > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way

    around?
    > I
    > > > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly the
    > > > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what

    > > you're
    > > > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it the
    > > > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap

    back
    > > > off...
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and

    only
    > > > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more

    precise
    > > > mock
    > > > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > George Lawrence
    > > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > > >
    > > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > > > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was

    > > taking
    > > > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really attribute

    > this
    > > > to
    > > > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to

    > > constantly
    > > > be
    > > > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and painless).

    So
    > I
    > > > > said
    > > > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style.

    Sure
    > I
    > > > > upped
    > > > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor sanding
    > > > > tomorrow
    > > > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more

    > > filling
    > > > > and
    > > > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be

    ready
    > to
    > > > > take
    > > > > > contact cement.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of

    > > veneer?
    > > > > The
    > > > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of

    > cement,
    > > > but
    > > > > I
    > > > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it

    > would
    > > > > just
    > > > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One

    coat
    > > > each
    > > > > > always works with plastic wrap...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm

    > going
    > > > to
    > > > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my work
    > > > > surface.
    > > > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer

    also
    > > has
    > > > a
    > > > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application

    > > should
    > > > be
    > > > > a
    > > > > > snap.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead tonight.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want to

    > > report
    > > > > > this
    > > > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun useage,

    > but
    > > > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting the

    > > wrap
    > > > > off
    > > > > > of
    > > > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a

    couple
    > > > minor
    > > > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and

    > unuseable,
    > > > > > right?)
    > > > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst thing

    I
    > > > would
    > > > > > have
    > > > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few

    > > seconds,
    > > > > and
    > > > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal. Plus

    I
    > > > have
    > > > > a
    > > > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden, I'm

    > > still
    > > > > not
    > > > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the

    same
    > > > spot,
    > > > > > but
    > > > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed

    > > uplifted
    > > > > > wrap.
    > > > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran

    out
    > of
    > > > the
    > > > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and was

    > > able
    > > > to
    > > > > > get
    > > > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a

    > bit,
    > > > the
    > > > > > wrap
    > > > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I

    was
    > > > > pretty
    > > > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I was
    > > > REALLY
    > > > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a

    few
    > > > > minutes
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few

    more
    > > > > inches
    > > > > > of
    > > > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
    > > > tomorrow.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work on

    > > Sunday
    > > > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a guy

    > from
    > > > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually

    > being
    > > > > home
    > > > > > on
    > > > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining on

    > TV.
    > > > > Then
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at

    > least
    > > > free
    > > > > > up
    > > > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and

    > spurs
    > > > and
    > > > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one or

    > both
    > > > of
    > > > > > the
    > > > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
    > > > flathead
    > > > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to

    > slip
    > > > in.
    > > > > I
    > > > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack'

    sound,
    > > > > similar
    > > > > > to
    > > > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
    > > > > screwdrivver,
    > > > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the ply.
    > > > Luckily
    > > > > I
    > > > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam

    > with
    > > > much
    > > > > > of
    > > > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver

    back
    > > and
    > > > > > forth
    > > > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS

    is
    > > how
    > > > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No

    fuss,
    > no
    > > > > > future
    > > > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE

    finish,
    > as
    > > > if
    > > > > > you
    > > > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of

    the
    > > > shell
    > > > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this

    time
    > it
    > > > was
    > > > > > too
    > > > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife

    and
    > > get
    > > > to
    > > > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily as

    > > hell.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
    > > > 'wrapping'
    > > > > > part
    > > > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly

    > > charred-
    > > > > 16"
    > > > > > > floor tom.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  17. Ok, I hate when I ask and then subsequently answer my own questions. I seem
    to do that alot. Anyhow, I'm no wood worker, so I just wanna be 100% sure
    about all this stuff. =)

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:8Qo0b.9312$Ih1.3459975@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    >
    > "If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
    > myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least

    overnight
    > to begin any varnishing."
    >
    > I agree.
    >
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:Cik0b.10698$nf3.5004@fed1read07...
    > > Nother' thing George...How long should a stain dry before varnishing?
    > >
    > > I put this Bartley's stain on a test strip and it was a nice color. When

    I
    > > tested a first coat varnish, maybe an hour later, I got brown residue on

    > my
    > > applicator rag, which I had only put the varnish on. I think as a result
    > > it's lightening up my stain a little... which in turn could change the

    > color
    > > of all my drums if I don't do them all the same way... I'm going to keep
    > > putting coats varnish on my test strip to see if every coat makes a
    > > difference...
    > >
    > > If this is true, the stain lightening, I have a simple solution for
    > > myself... stain all the drums at the same time, and wait at least

    > overnight
    > > to begin any varnishing.
    > >
    > > BTW both my stain and satin varnish are Bartley's Gel stuff...
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > news:Q6j0b.9271$Ih1.3423566@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > It's easier just to glue half of it and work the side that will be the
    > > > underlying piece at the seam into place, then glue the other half. the

    > > most
    > > > important part of doing this is that your dry run mock up will be

    easier
    > > to
    > > > align. Measure once, cut twice :)
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > George Lawrence
    > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > >
    > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:k2j0b.10693$nf3.5883@fed1read07...
    > > > > You mean like not start at one edge, adhere, and go all the way

    > around?
    > > I
    > > > > actually was thinking this time of doing it where you pick roughly

    the
    > > > > center and go a little bit at a time both way, which is I think what
    > > > you're
    > > > > saying. Never done it this way but I've had false starts doing it

    the
    > > > > one-side-first way. Luckily, every time I was able to get the wrap

    > back
    > > > > off...
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:%Xi0b.9269$Ih1.3422020@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > > > If you can, use clamps and work from the center of the veneer and

    > only
    > > > > > adhere half the sheet at a time. This allows you to do a more

    > precise
    > > > > mock
    > > > > > up and cuts out half the chance of mis-alignment.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > George Lawrence
    > > > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:JDi0b.10691$nf3.8216@fed1read07...
    > > > > > > Today I finally got the wrap off the floor tom. The heat gun was
    > > > taking
    > > > > > > forever and still not producing great results (I really

    attribute
    > > this
    > > > > to
    > > > > > > the fact there is so much sheer surface area that all has to
    > > > constantly
    > > > > be
    > > > > > > the same temperature; i.e. the 9x13 tom went quick and

    painless).
    > So
    > > I
    > > > > > said
    > > > > > > 'eff this' and I just went at tearing the wrap off angry-style.

    > Sure
    > > I
    > > > > > upped
    > > > > > > some ply, but thats why I have the wood filler. So a minor

    sanding
    > > > > > tomorrow
    > > > > > > on the 13 and 20, and some sanding, filling, sanding, maybe more
    > > > filling
    > > > > > and
    > > > > > > another sanding on the 16, and the veneers and shells will be

    > ready
    > > to
    > > > > > take
    > > > > > > contact cement.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Question: 1 or 2 coats of contact cement per shell and sheet of
    > > > veneer?
    > > > > > The
    > > > > > > directions for applying the veneer state 'liberal' amounts of

    > > cement,
    > > > > but
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > don't like the idea of having so much contact cement; I think it

    > > would
    > > > > > just
    > > > > > > create more possible airspace between the shell and veneer. One

    > coat
    > > > > each
    > > > > > > always works with plastic wrap...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I have a pretty much fool proof idea on applying the veneer. I'm

    > > going
    > > > > to
    > > > > > > bust out a standard-size *solid* closet door and use it as my

    work
    > > > > > surface.
    > > > > > > It's HUGE and it's perfectly flat. Since every sheet of veneer

    > also
    > > > has
    > > > > a
    > > > > > > perfectly cut edge, getting the wrap to stay even on application
    > > > should
    > > > > be
    > > > > > a
    > > > > > > snap.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:l110b.8556$nf3.8106@fed1read07...
    > > > > > > > A funny/scary incident yesterday, and a HUGE leap ahead

    tonight.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > The funny/scary: I nearly burnt my place down. I didn't want

    to
    > > > report
    > > > > > > this
    > > > > > > > here in order to avoid the 'I told you so's' of heat-gun

    useage,
    > > but
    > > > > > > > everything turned out ok, so I will. Basically I was getting

    the
    > > > wrap
    > > > > > off
    > > > > > > of
    > > > > > > > my 16" floor tom... I got about 1/3 around the drum, with a

    > couple
    > > > > minor
    > > > > > > > burn holes (what do I care if the old wrap is warping and

    > > unuseable,
    > > > > > > right?)
    > > > > > > > that I was able to put out easily. So I figured the worst

    thing
    > I
    > > > > would
    > > > > > > have
    > > > > > > > to face would be a nickel-sized hole and some smoke for a few
    > > > seconds,
    > > > > > and
    > > > > > > > heck, I can hear it just before it happens, so no big deal.

    Plus
    > I
    > > > > have
    > > > > > a
    > > > > > > > spray bottle full of water right there. Then all the sudden,

    I'm
    > > > still
    > > > > > not
    > > > > > > > sure HOW it happened as I was not holding the heat gun in the

    > same
    > > > > spot,
    > > > > > > but
    > > > > > > > POOF. My 16" floor tom burst into flames! Well, the untrimmed
    > > > uplifted
    > > > > > > wrap.
    > > > > > > > The portion clamped to my workbench detached itself and I ran

    > out
    > > of
    > > > > the
    > > > > > > > garage (thank GOD I had both doors open for ventilation) and

    was
    > > > able
    > > > > to
    > > > > > > get
    > > > > > > > my spray bottle on the drum. The shell was only flame-kissed a

    > > bit,
    > > > > the
    > > > > > > wrap
    > > > > > > > at that portion was fried. At the moment this was happening, I

    > was
    > > > > > pretty
    > > > > > > > freaked though. The wrap catches like tissue. For a moment I

    was
    > > > > REALLY
    > > > > > > > worried something was gonna happen. I shook it off and after a

    > few
    > > > > > minutes
    > > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > got back to work, being extra super careful. I only got a few

    > more
    > > > > > inches
    > > > > > > of
    > > > > > > > wrap up and quit for the day. I'll have to finish this drum up
    > > > > tomorrow.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > The HUGE leap ahead: Bored tonight at home as I usually work

    on
    > > > Sunday
    > > > > > > > night, but initially had the whole day off. Switched with a

    guy
    > > from
    > > > > > > > tomorrow, so I ended up working during the day. So not usually

    > > being
    > > > > > home
    > > > > > > on
    > > > > > > > Sunday nights I struggled with finding something entertaining

    on
    > > TV.
    > > > > > Then
    > > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > got the idea, why not pull all the hardware off the 20, to at

    > > least
    > > > > free
    > > > > > > up
    > > > > > > > that step instead of doing it tomorrow. So I got the lugs and

    > > spurs
    > > > > and
    > > > > > > > badge off, and I thought, well, might as well try to get one

    or
    > > both
    > > > > of
    > > > > > > the
    > > > > > > > seams up, so I can start right away with the heat gun. I had a
    > > > > flathead
    > > > > > > > screwdriver, and I went to work trying to probe for an area to

    > > slip
    > > > > in.
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > found one and the wrap gave away with a satisfying 'crack'

    > sound,
    > > > > > similar
    > > > > > > to
    > > > > > > > seating a brand new head. I dug in a little firther with the
    > > > > > screwdrivver,
    > > > > > > > and peeled back the wrap to check how badly I'd pulled the

    ply.
    > > > > Luckily
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > hadn't pulled up a thing. I worked down the length of the seam

    > > with
    > > > > much
    > > > > > > of
    > > > > > > > the same result; no ply lift. I began working the screwdriver

    > back
    > > > and
    > > > > > > forth
    > > > > > > > down the length popping the wrap up every few inches. Now THIS

    > is
    > > > how
    > > > > > > > Ludwigs are supposed to unwrap. It literally PEELED off. No

    > fuss,
    > > no
    > > > > > > future
    > > > > > > > woodwork necessary (save a minor sanding). I didn't QUITE

    > finish,
    > > as
    > > > > if
    > > > > > > you
    > > > > > > > know 60's Ludwigs the wrap is actually built INTO the seam of

    > the
    > > > > shell
    > > > > > > > plies. That only has to be cut with a uti-knife, but at this

    > time
    > > it
    > > > > was
    > > > > > > too
    > > > > > > > late to go into the garage, clear a space, bust out the knife

    > and
    > > > get
    > > > > to
    > > > > > > > work. But basically this drum came apart perfectly and easily

    as
    > > > hell.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > So the veneers are cut to shape and I'm almost ready for the
    > > > > 'wrapping'
    > > > > > > part
    > > > > > > > of the whole process. Just need to finish the damn- slightly
    > > > charred-
    > > > > > 16"
    > > > > > > > floor tom.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > > > > > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  18. Anthony Giampa <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote:
    > Ok, I hate when I ask and then subsequently answer my own questions. I seem
    > to do that alot. Anyhow, I'm no wood worker, so I just wanna be 100% sure
    > about all this stuff. =)


    At least you are getting the right answers, Ant! I ALWAYS let stains
    dry at least overnight for exactly the reasons you found. And furthermore
    I think the instructions on the can said so too. You DID read the
    instructions, right? :)

    Benj
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