Watching Shania

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Mike Rivers, Aug 20, 2003.

  1. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    Kind of slow tonight. Is everyone watching Shania Twain? What's she
    wearing? Is she lip synching? Those seem to be about all anyone talks
    about when it comes to TV musical specials these days.



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    On 2003-08-20 mrivers@d-and-d.com said:
    >In article <83N0b.5987$q9.335517@read1.cgocable.net> nobody@home.
    >>com writes: The drummer wasn't listening to the Cubs game in
    >> those in-ear monitors underneath the industrial ear muffs.

    HEy now, I used to work with a guy that monitored through headphones
    (a drummer too) who used to set up his own monitor mix. I BS you not
    as I ran sound for these guys a few times. HE used to waer those
    little ear bud phones and one side of his phones would be playing the
    cubs game off WGN radio. NOw this was back in Iowa where one could
    get wGN radio about any time. Least iirc it was wgn. Might've been
    after the cubs switches to wmaq, can't quite remember at the moment.

    THis was a strange band, keyboard man played a Hammond b-3 and a
    Rhodes. tWo guitars and bass as well. I did the mons for the rest
    of the guys from foh but this guy had a split and his own mixer so he
    could feed himself the cubs game in one ear.

    NOW that folks is dedication as a fan I guess <g>.



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    Electric Spider Productions
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  3. LLLindblad

    LLLindblad Guest

    She said it'd been 3 1/2 yrs since she last was in concert, and she did look
    older, but her touring package looked the same. I kinda figgered this special
    was because she was getting ready to start touring again, tv things like this
    are normal prior, but as always, the show was incredible, a great watch and a
    good listen.
    I'm not so sure she uses backing tracks, fuck, everybody but the drummer seems
    to sing, but if she does, that too would be the norm these days, bfd......as
    far as what she was wearing, that was the only thing I keyed on as too quite
    different and not agreeable to the overall look......the first set was cool,
    the second, tho somewhat sexy, I don't know.....but the third and final look,
    the swabby look, no, that didn't work, lose the pants, denim koolots did her no
    favors.

    As far as being all anyone talks about in specials these days, I would agree,
    in fact, the wife said why are we watching this, she just stands there singing,
    boring......but I disagree, I like her music and the way she produces it, there
    is always something to be said about layering good songs, and even moreso when
    an artist can pull that slick studio layering <off> live, plus I think her show
    <showcases> more than just the quality songs, it really highlights all the
    separate but equal musical trips and provides a good visual around those chairs
    that produce it. There is, imo, a good comparison between a shania concert and
    say a disturbed and/or dave matthews gig.....simple chording, quality pockets
    and meaningful lyrics....oh, and from an audio perspective, a sound guy like me
    really diggin' on the overall quality production.

    laters
    tuna
  4. By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.

    She has a great tush.



    In article <20030820055109.08111.00001386@mb-m06.aol.com>, LLLindblad
    <lllindblad@aol.com> wrote:

    > a sound guy like me
    > really diggin' on the overall quality production.


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    John Etnier
    Studio Dual
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  5. Arny Krueger

    Arny Krueger Guest

    "John S. Etnier" <etnier@studiodual.com> wrote in message
    news:200820030914314904%etnier@studiodual.com
    > By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    > been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.


    Agreed.
  6. Tom Paterson

    Tom Paterson Guest

    >From: "John S. Etnier"

    >By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    >been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.
    >
    >She has a great tush.


    Tush trumps timbre?
  7. Rob Adelman

    Rob Adelman Guest

    John S. Etnier wrote:

    > By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    > been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.
    >
    > She has a great tush.


    Are you sure? Maybe that was compressed too ;)
  8. =Bob=

    =Bob= Guest

    "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message news:znr1061339997k@trad...
    : Kind of slow tonight. Is everyone watching Shania Twain? What's she
    : wearing? Is she lip synching? Those seem to be about all anyone talks
    : about when it comes to TV musical specials these days.

    I thought she was lip synching. I watched very close and there
    were several times when her voice was very strong yet she was
    singing away from the mic altogether (not just a little). More
    than one moment of lost sync too. I watched the show mostly
    in awe of the whole production. It's just not a "concert" to
    me, seemed more like theatre...

    =Bob=
    bob -at- threestrands -dot- com
  9. dt king

    dt king Guest

    "Rob Adelman" <radelman@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:0mL0b.581$Hp.51527@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
    >
    >
    > John S. Etnier wrote:
    >
    > > By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    > > been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.
    > >
    > > She has a great tush.

    >
    > Are you sure? Maybe that was compressed too ;)


    It certainly wasn't flat and lifeless.

    dtk
  10. Sugarite

    Sugarite Guest

    > I'm not so sure she uses backing tracks, fuck, everybody but the drummer
    seems
    > to sing, but if she does, that too would be the norm these days, bfd......


    With attitudes like that, why wouldn't they lip-sync. It's jaded people
    like you that require labels to put out this overproduced crap just to get
    your attention, then of course you would blame the labels for a lack of
    quality musicianship in popular music.

    That sure didn't sound like a 57 capsule to me. If she were singing (which
    I highly doubt) it would be going through mic-mod, auto-tune, and squashed
    to a dynamic range of maybe 3dB, robbing it of any feel, so again, why
    wouldn't they just sync. The drummer wasn't listening to the Cubs game in
    those in-ear monitors underneath the industrial ear muffs. I guess you
    don't recall the Superbowl halftime show where she exhibited the worst
    lip-syncing of the past decade.

    > There is, imo, a good comparison between a shania concert and
    > say a disturbed and/or dave matthews gig.....simple chording, quality

    pockets
    > and meaningful lyrics....oh, and from an audio perspective, a sound guy

    like me
    > really diggin' on the overall quality production.


    Um, I'll have what he's smoking please.
  11. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    They obviously remixed and did fixes on the show.




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  12. Gary Koliger

    Gary Koliger Guest

    If you think that's theatre you gotta get out more man

    Gary

    =Bob= wrote:

    > "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message news:znr1061339997k@trad...
    > : Kind of slow tonight. Is everyone watching Shania Twain? What's she
    > : wearing? Is she lip synching? Those seem to be about all anyone talks
    > : about when it comes to TV musical specials these days.
    >
    > I thought she was lip synching. I watched very close and there
    > were several times when her voice was very strong yet she was
    > singing away from the mic altogether (not just a little). More
    > than one moment of lost sync too. I watched the show mostly
    > in awe of the whole production. It's just not a "concert" to
    > me, seemed more like theatre...
    >
    > =Bob=
    > bob -at- threestrands -dot- com
  13. =Bob=

    =Bob= Guest

    "Gary Koliger" <gary.koliger@betasound.ca> wrote in message news:3F43B3A6.C0B86D46@betasound.ca...
    : If you think that's theatre you gotta get out more man
    : Gary

    I said:
    : > me, seemed more like theatre...

    I didn't say I thought it was theatre... I said it seemed
    more like theatre. Seeming, meaning it's appearance to
    me. More acting/pretending...

    =Bob=
    bob -at- threestrands -dot- com
  14. Gary Koliger

    Gary Koliger Guest

    lighten up - I was kidding - Shania looks great and Mutt Lange not only produces the records - he
    co-writes as well - that it's good and succesful $wise is a foregone conclusion - that it's great is
    purely a matter of taste and opinion - being in awe is not how I would describe my attention to it

    Gary

    =Bob= wrote:

    > "Gary Koliger" <gary.koliger@betasound.ca> wrote in message news:3F43B3A6.C0B86D46@betasound.ca...
    > : If you think that's theatre you gotta get out more man
    > : Gary
    >
    > I said:
    > : > me, seemed more like theatre...
    >
    > I didn't say I thought it was theatre... I said it seemed
    > more like theatre. Seeming, meaning it's appearance to
    > me. More acting/pretending...
    >
    > =Bob=
    > bob -at- threestrands -dot- com
  15. axtogrind

    axtogrind Guest

    "Tom Paterson" <dustoyevsky@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
    news:20030820094244.06745.00002041@mb-m06.aol.com...
    > >From: "John S. Etnier"

    >
    > >By the time it had snaked its way through my cable TV system it had
    > >been compressed so much it sounded flat and lifeless.
    > >
    > >She has a great tush.

    >
    > Tush trumps timbre?



    Sometimes. How else could you explain the 'success' of Achy Breaky Heart?

    atg
  16. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <83N0b.5987$q9.335517@read1.cgocable.net> nobody@home.com writes:

    > The drummer wasn't listening to the Cubs game in
    > those in-ear monitors underneath the industrial ear muffs.


    During the short period when I had the show on, I saw a couple of
    quick shots of the drummer, but I couldn't figure out what he was
    wearing on his head. It looked a little like a boxing helmet.

    Shows like that are better listened to than watched. It's kind of like
    the radio, but with applause and a little chatter. I was reading the
    newspaper when it was on.




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    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  17. Tom Paterson

    Tom Paterson Guest

    >From: "axtogrind"

    >>
    >> Tush trumps timbre?

    >
    >
    >Sometimes. How else could you explain the 'success' of Achy Breaky Heart?
    >


    "Mullet makes money?"
  18. In article <znr1061397975k@trad>, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
    wrote:
    > Shows like that are better listened to than watched.


    I'm not sure I've ever heard that opinion applied to Shania.

    CT
  19. axtogrind

    axtogrind Guest

    It did that time, didn't it!

    atg

    "Tom Paterson" <dustoyevsky@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
    news:20030820161239.14658.00003016@mb-m04.aol.com...
    > >From: "axtogrind"

    >
    > >>
    > >> Tush trumps timbre?

    > >
    > >
    > >Sometimes. How else could you explain the 'success' of Achy Breaky

    Heart?
    > >

    >
    > "Mullet makes money?"
  20. Gary Koliger <gary.koliger@betasound.ca> wrote in message news:<3F43C037.13D09C9C@betasound.ca>...
    > lighten up - I was kidding - Shania looks great and Mutt Lange not only produces the records - he
    > co-writes as well - that it's good and succesful $wise is a foregone conclusion - that it's great is
    > purely a matter of taste and opinion - being in awe is not how I would describe my attention to it
    >
    > Gary


    Gary,
    I like Shania because she and Mutt thumbed their noses at the
    Nashville establishment. I believe her last CD has two disks.
    One version of the tunes for the country crowd, the other for the Pop/Rock
    folks. If this is true, I wonder which version she'll do live? Anyone know
    how the album is doing?

    DaveT

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