Weber 10" speakers?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Jack A. Zucker, Aug 26, 2003.

  1. I just picked up a Vibroclone amp. It's a bandmaster reverb in a repro
    2x10 chassis. Because of pending neck surgery, I'm looking for a pair
    of 10" speakers that are not too heavy (no JBL or EV) but have some
    robustness to their tone.

    I'm currently "sitting" on an Allen modded Princeton reverb that has a
    Weber California 12" speaker in it. At first I didn't care much for
    the speaker but as it's broken it, I've decided I really like it
    though my one complaint is that it's got a little too much high end to
    sound really smooth for fusion stuff. I suppose I could try the 10"
    versions but I wanted to get some opinions from other folks. I've also
    heard that the Weber Chicago speaker is very similar to the California
    but without the high end spike...

    One thing that complicates matters is that I play a wide variety of
    disparate styles and it's hard to find a speaker that sounds good for
    all of them though the Weber CA 12 seems to do a good job through most
    of the styles. For example, while I love the Jenson speakers (even the
    reissues), they tend to sound flabby for higher gain fusiony tones.
    Speakers like the EV 12L sound great for the higher gain stuff but
    don't have the snap or nastyness for the Gatton type stuff...It's a
    tough balancing act.

    Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...

    Jaz
  2. Skip Moy

    Skip Moy Guest

    Would separate heads and speakers allow you to tailor the spk to the type of
    gig you are doing ? Seems like a big tonal difference between the EV and
    Webers. Are you playing all these styles on the same gig ?
    Skip

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308260520.7e7a8fb@posting.google.com...
    > I just picked up a Vibroclone amp. It's a bandmaster reverb in a repro
    > 2x10 chassis. Because of pending neck surgery, I'm looking for a pair
    > of 10" speakers that are not too heavy (no JBL or EV) but have some
    > robustness to their tone.
    >
    > I'm currently "sitting" on an Allen modded Princeton reverb that has a
    > Weber California 12" speaker in it. At first I didn't care much for
    > the speaker but as it's broken it, I've decided I really like it
    > though my one complaint is that it's got a little too much high end to
    > sound really smooth for fusion stuff. I suppose I could try the 10"
    > versions but I wanted to get some opinions from other folks. I've also
    > heard that the Weber Chicago speaker is very similar to the California
    > but without the high end spike...
    >
    > One thing that complicates matters is that I play a wide variety of
    > disparate styles and it's hard to find a speaker that sounds good for
    > all of them though the Weber CA 12 seems to do a good job through most
    > of the styles. For example, while I love the Jenson speakers (even the
    > reissues), they tend to sound flabby for higher gain fusiony tones.
    > Speakers like the EV 12L sound great for the higher gain stuff but
    > don't have the snap or nastyness for the Gatton type stuff...It's a
    > tough balancing act.
    >
    > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    >
    > Jaz
  3. Richard

    Richard Guest

    jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...

    > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...


    I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    Reverb.

    --
    "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying
  4. "Skip Moy" <smoy@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:<bifrrt$52l3@imsp212.netvigator.com>...
    > Would separate heads and speakers allow you to tailor the spk to the type of
    > gig you are doing ? Seems like a big tonal difference between the EV and
    > Webers. Are you playing all these styles on the same gig ?
    > Skip


    Yes, I do a disparate array of styles on gigs from clean Martino like
    lines to bluesy SRV type things to smooth, Allen Holdsworth type of
    distortion.

    A separate cab is probably the best bet for a longer term solution but
    right now the combo is what I have to work with...
  5. Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b53f32b05154ee9897ff@news.verizon.net>...
    > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    >
    > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...

    >
    > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > Reverb.


    Tell me more. Were these reissues?
  6. Richard

    Richard Guest

    jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote
    > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > >
    > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...

    > >
    > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > Reverb.

    >
    > Tell me more. Were these reissues?


    My bad. They were new Webers, nicely broken in with about 60 hours
    each on a signal generator. Best sound I ever had. (So far. :)

    --
    "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying
  7. (Jack A. Zucker) wrote:

    >Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...


    I've got a couple of small combos that have the Celestion
    Vintage 10 in them. It has about the most low end I've heard in a 10
    designed for guitar, but I haven't tested exhaustively. Safe to say
    that it has pretty good lows for a 10, and nothing particularly harsh
    or spiky in the highs - it's capable of faking a Voxy chime, for
    example. Like many good things, it's recently been discontinued. The
    ones I have are the 50w version.



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  8. I have a SF Vibrochamp and an old Supro, both with ALnico 10" Blue pups.
    While the speaker is very efficient and certainly is an improvement to both
    amps, I am not really blown away by them. Personally, the amps sound more
    vintagy (50's not 60's) and bluesy (like older amps designed for harp
    playing like the Supro), which is not a sound I am after. I play a tele
    copy.

    I think expensive speakers CAN make a difference, but I am very tired of the
    bull-speak regarding top of the line speakers..... I am always looking for
    less expensive replacements.



    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308260520.7e7a8fb@posting.google.com...
    > I just picked up a Vibroclone amp. It's a bandmaster reverb in a repro
    > 2x10 chassis. Because of pending neck surgery, I'm looking for a pair
    > of 10" speakers that are not too heavy (no JBL or EV) but have some
    > robustness to their tone.
    >
    > I'm currently "sitting" on an Allen modded Princeton reverb that has a
    > Weber California 12" speaker in it. At first I didn't care much for
    > the speaker but as it's broken it, I've decided I really like it
    > though my one complaint is that it's got a little too much high end to
    > sound really smooth for fusion stuff. I suppose I could try the 10"
    > versions but I wanted to get some opinions from other folks. I've also
    > heard that the Weber Chicago speaker is very similar to the California
    > but without the high end spike...
    >
    > One thing that complicates matters is that I play a wide variety of
    > disparate styles and it's hard to find a speaker that sounds good for
    > all of them though the Weber CA 12 seems to do a good job through most
    > of the styles. For example, while I love the Jenson speakers (even the
    > reissues), they tend to sound flabby for higher gain fusiony tones.
    > Speakers like the EV 12L sound great for the higher gain stuff but
    > don't have the snap or nastyness for the Gatton type stuff...It's a
    > tough balancing act.
    >
    > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    >
    > Jaz
  9. The C10NQ is a Weber "hybrid" speaker, a Q cone with an N magnet/voice coil.
    I have one of these (undoped) in my SF Princeton Reverb. I originally had a
    C10Q but felt it was too shrill without enough bottom end. I was afraid the
    C10N would be too dark, so I ordered the C10NQ. It has much more "oomph" to
    it. More mid and bass, never flabby, and it can get some high-end sparkle
    without being shrill at all. I only play at home, so I can't comment on
    high-volume applications, but having owned several Webers, I'd say the C10NQ
    is my favorite. (You may also have heard of it as the C10NT.) Weber's new
    naming scheme for this speaker is the 10F150T. (C10Q = 10F125, C10N =
    10F150).

    I just looked up the speaker designation on the Weber site, and what they
    say about the 10F150T is misleading, calling it a replacement for the Jensen
    C10Q. Talk to Ted for more info, because I think they've goofed on some of
    their speaker descriptions....

    Regards,

    Margaret

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308260841.39ab41f@posting.google.com...
    > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    news:<MPG.19b53f32b05154ee9897ff@news.verizon.net>...
    > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > >
    > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...

    > >
    > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > Reverb.

    >
    > Tell me more. Were these reissues?
  10. Pat Smith

    Pat Smith Guest

    I put 2 Tone Tubbys in my Vibro King and I like them. They are darker
    than Jensens and cost a fortune
  11. I'm still confused. I have no idea what Q cone or N magnet is. Are these
    references to the old Jensen nomenclature?

    "Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
    news:big87o01d4p@enews1.newsguy.com...
    > The C10NQ is a Weber "hybrid" speaker, a Q cone with an N magnet/voice

    coil.
    > I have one of these (undoped) in my SF Princeton Reverb. I originally had

    a
    > C10Q but felt it was too shrill without enough bottom end. I was afraid

    the
    > C10N would be too dark, so I ordered the C10NQ. It has much more "oomph"

    to
    > it. More mid and bass, never flabby, and it can get some high-end sparkle
    > without being shrill at all. I only play at home, so I can't comment on
    > high-volume applications, but having owned several Webers, I'd say the

    C10NQ
    > is my favorite. (You may also have heard of it as the C10NT.) Weber's

    new
    > naming scheme for this speaker is the 10F150T. (C10Q = 10F125, C10N =
    > 10F150).
    >
    > I just looked up the speaker designation on the Weber site, and what they
    > say about the 10F150T is misleading, calling it a replacement for the

    Jensen
    > C10Q. Talk to Ted for more info, because I think they've goofed on some

    of
    > their speaker descriptions....
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Margaret
    >
    > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > news:2f33c43f.0308260841.39ab41f@posting.google.com...
    > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    > news:<MPG.19b53f32b05154ee9897ff@news.verizon.net>...
    > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > >
    > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    > > >
    > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > > Reverb.

    > >
    > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?

    >
    >
  12. paul

    paul Guest

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:51:04 GMT, "Jack A. Zucker"
    <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote:

    >I'm still confused. I have no idea what Q cone or N magnet is. Are these
    >references to the old Jensen nomenclature?
    >


    it's BNF notation.

    --paul
  13. haha! Cute. :)

    "paul" <pcsanwald@pobox.com> wrote in message
    news:3f4bd1a5.689382950@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
    > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:51:04 GMT, "Jack A. Zucker"
    > <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote:
    >
    > >I'm still confused. I have no idea what Q cone or N magnet is. Are these
    > >references to the old Jensen nomenclature?
    > >

    >
    > it's BNF notation.
    >
    > --paul
  14. Yes.

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:YKP2b.18727$2Y6.5791649@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > I'm still confused. I have no idea what Q cone or N magnet is. Are these
    > references to the old Jensen nomenclature?
    >
    > "Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
    > news:big87o01d4p@enews1.newsguy.com...
    > > The C10NQ is a Weber "hybrid" speaker, a Q cone with an N magnet/voice

    > coil.
    > > I have one of these (undoped) in my SF Princeton Reverb. I originally

    had
    > a
    > > C10Q but felt it was too shrill without enough bottom end. I was afraid

    > the
    > > C10N would be too dark, so I ordered the C10NQ. It has much more

    "oomph"
    > to
    > > it. More mid and bass, never flabby, and it can get some high-end

    sparkle
    > > without being shrill at all. I only play at home, so I can't comment on
    > > high-volume applications, but having owned several Webers, I'd say the

    > C10NQ
    > > is my favorite. (You may also have heard of it as the C10NT.) Weber's

    > new
    > > naming scheme for this speaker is the 10F150T. (C10Q = 10F125, C10N =
    > > 10F150).
    > >
    > > I just looked up the speaker designation on the Weber site, and what

    they
    > > say about the 10F150T is misleading, calling it a replacement for the

    > Jensen
    > > C10Q. Talk to Ted for more info, because I think they've goofed on some

    > of
    > > their speaker descriptions....
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > >
    > > Margaret
    > >
    > > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > > news:2f33c43f.0308260841.39ab41f@posting.google.com...
    > > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    > > news:<MPG.19b53f32b05154ee9897ff@news.verizon.net>...
    > > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > >
    > > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    > > > >
    > > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > > > Reverb.
    > > >
    > > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  15. icarusi

    icarusi Guest

    Jack A. Zucker <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308260520.7e7a8fb@posting.google.com...

    > One thing that complicates matters is that I play a wide variety of
    > disparate styles and it's hard to find a speaker that sounds good

    for
    > all of them though the Weber CA 12 seems to do a good job through

    most
    > of the styles. For example, while I love the Jenson speakers (even

    the
    > reissues), they tend to sound flabby for higher gain fusiony tones.
    > Speakers like the EV 12L sound great for the higher gain stuff but
    > don't have the snap or nastyness for the Gatton type stuff...It's a
    > tough balancing act.
    >
    > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...


    Have you considered mixing 2 makes/models of speakers in a stereo amp
    cab with a means of distributing the volume seperately to each
    speaker? I'm using a Behringer GX210 where the 'slave in' sockets are
    actually insert points between the pre and power amp. The tape-out
    socket levels are set by the master vol, so I put a stereo pot in that
    point so I can increase the level to tape and pot-down the actual
    output level. If the stereo pot was 2 singles I could vary the level
    to each speaker independently.

    Incidentally Vox have produced a separate box to the Valvetronics amps
    which IIRC includes their 'reactor' which is a small valve and
    transformer configured as a push-pull output stage.

    Icarusi
    --
    remove the 00 to reply
  16. Richard,

    Can you map the C10NQ speakers to those that he's offering now?

    --
    web: www.jackzucker.com
    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19b559d47f66f82a989800@news.verizon.net...
    > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote
    > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > >
    > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    > > >
    > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > > Reverb.

    > >
    > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?

    >
    > My bad. They were new Webers, nicely broken in with about 60 hours
    > each on a signal generator. Best sound I ever had. (So far. :)
    >
    > --
    > "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying
  17. Jack, I did that for you three hours ago in a message two which you even
    responded. Please read: 10F150T.

    Margaret

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:KPS2b.7980$Nc.5263533@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    > Richard,
    >
    > Can you map the C10NQ speakers to those that he's offering now?
    >
    > --
    > web: www.jackzucker.com
    > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.19b559d47f66f82a989800@news.verizon.net...
    > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote
    > > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > >
    > > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    > > > >
    > > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a Vibrolux
    > > > > Reverb.
    > > >
    > > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?

    > >
    > > My bad. They were new Webers, nicely broken in with about 60 hours
    > > each on a signal generator. Best sound I ever had. (So far. :)
    > >
    > > --
    > > "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying

    >
    >
  18. OOPS, two = to.

    You might also want to actually *read* that post. You might find some other
    good info. :)

    Margaret

    "Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
    news:biguo90pec@enews3.newsguy.com...
    > Jack, I did that for you three hours ago in a message two which you even
    > responded. Please read: 10F150T.
    >
    > Margaret
    >
    > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > news:KPS2b.7980$Nc.5263533@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    > > Richard,
    > >
    > > Can you map the C10NQ speakers to those that he's offering now?
    > >
    > > --
    > > web: www.jackzucker.com
    > > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:MPG.19b559d47f66f82a989800@news.verizon.net...
    > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote
    > > > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a

    Vibrolux
    > > > > > Reverb.
    > > > >
    > > > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?
    > > >
    > > > My bad. They were new Webers, nicely broken in with about 60 hours
    > > > each on a signal generator. Best sound I ever had. (So far. :)
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  19. Tony Hwang

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Now we're moving to speakers from amps.
    Would anyone like to guess what's up next after speakers?
    Tony

    icarusi wrote:

    > Jack A. Zucker <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > news:2f33c43f.0308260520.7e7a8fb@posting.google.com...
    >
    >
    >>One thing that complicates matters is that I play a wide variety of
    >>disparate styles and it's hard to find a speaker that sounds good

    >
    > for
    >
    >>all of them though the Weber CA 12 seems to do a good job through

    >
    > most
    >
    >>of the styles. For example, while I love the Jenson speakers (even

    >
    > the
    >
    >>reissues), they tend to sound flabby for higher gain fusiony tones.
    >>Speakers like the EV 12L sound great for the higher gain stuff but
    >>don't have the snap or nastyness for the Gatton type stuff...It's a
    >>tough balancing act.
    >>
    >>Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10" speakers...

    >
    >
    > Have you considered mixing 2 makes/models of speakers in a stereo amp
    > cab with a means of distributing the volume seperately to each
    > speaker? I'm using a Behringer GX210 where the 'slave in' sockets are
    > actually insert points between the pre and power amp. The tape-out
    > socket levels are set by the master vol, so I put a stereo pot in that
    > point so I can increase the level to tape and pot-down the actual
    > output level. If the stereo pot was 2 singles I could vary the level
    > to each speaker independently.
    >
    > Incidentally Vox have produced a separate box to the Valvetronics amps
    > which IIRC includes their 'reactor' which is a small valve and
    > transformer configured as a push-pull output stage.
    >
    > Icarusi
    > --
    > remove the 00 to reply
    >
    >
    >
    >
  20. I saw your posting. I still don't understand how the number system relates
    to his "state" names and keying in the numbers into his "conversion" chart
    page yields "not found" for the several combinations I tried. He said he is
    working on a new chart. I wish he'd redo his webpage. His products are
    fabulous but in my opinion the website detracts from the products and makes
    it more difficult to find speakers by number.

    "Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
    news:bigv6g0pt9@enews3.newsguy.com...
    > OOPS, two = to.
    >
    > You might also want to actually *read* that post. You might find some

    other
    > good info. :)
    >
    > Margaret
    >
    > "Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
    > news:biguo90pec@enews3.newsguy.com...
    > > Jack, I did that for you three hours ago in a message two which you even
    > > responded. Please read: 10F150T.
    > >
    > > Margaret
    > >
    > > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > > news:KPS2b.7980$Nc.5263533@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    > > > Richard,
    > > >
    > > > Can you map the C10NQ speakers to those that he's offering now?
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > web: www.jackzucker.com
    > > > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:MPG.19b559d47f66f82a989800@news.verizon.net...
    > > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > > > Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote
    > > > > > > jaz@jackzucker.com wrote...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested to hear folks' take on 10"

    speakers...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I was very satisfied with a pair of doped C10NQs I had in a

    > Vibrolux
    > > > > > > Reverb.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Tell me more. Were these reissues?
    > > > >
    > > > > My bad. They were new Webers, nicely broken in with about 60 hours
    > > > > each on a signal generator. Best sound I ever had. (So far. :)
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >

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