What am I missing?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Road Warrior, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    I've spent a pretty good deal of $$$ on my home set up. I mix with a Mackie
    24X8 but I have 6 nice preamp channels to record tracks. I have nice mics,
    good compressors, etc. and I spent a lot of time and $$$ on making a small
    room sound better than average. I'm happy with the sounds I get. The only
    time I have to use the Mackie pre's are when I'm tracking drums and I
    usually use those pre's on tome. The tom sounds are at least satisfactory to
    my ears.

    Other than mixing on a Mackie, the only other "cheap" item I have (use) is
    an Alesis RA 100 power amp to drive Tannoy Reveals.

    For some reason I keep neglecting to replace that power amp.

    What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp? I'm pretty
    stuck with nearfield monitoring because my mix room is just "OK", so just
    wondering if I can do any better with a cleaner power amp. I've never tried
    anything else for comparison.

    Thanks for any help.


    --
    Jeff
    http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
  2. "Road Warrior" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:bivmlm$ddn0c$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > I've spent a pretty good deal of $$$ on my home set up. I mix with a

    Mackie
    > 24X8 but I have 6 nice preamp channels to record tracks. I have nice mics,
    > good compressors, etc. and I spent a lot of time and $$$ on making a small
    > room sound better than average. I'm happy with the sounds I get. The only
    > time I have to use the Mackie pre's are when I'm tracking drums and I
    > usually use those pre's on tome. The tom sounds are at least satisfactory

    to
    > my ears.
    >
    > Other than mixing on a Mackie, the only other "cheap" item I have (use) is
    > an Alesis RA 100 power amp to drive Tannoy Reveals.
    >
    > For some reason I keep neglecting to replace that power amp.
    >
    > What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp? I'm pretty
    > stuck with nearfield monitoring because my mix room is just "OK", so just
    > wondering if I can do any better with a cleaner power amp. I've never

    tried
    > anything else for comparison.
    >
    > Thanks for any help.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Jeff
    > http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
    >
    >


    Jeff,

    Most modern amps specs are very good and I doubt even this "inexpensive" amp
    is a problem in your system unless you are pushing the amp to distortion
    levels (which you most likely are not). If you are planning on spending
    more money to improve your recordings I would spend it elsewhere first!
    Monitor speakers are often the source of "sound" problems especially in
    small rooms. Depending the setup of your mix room "nearfield"monitoring
    will not always eliminate room problems.

    regards,
    (another) Jeff
  3. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <bivmlm$ddn0c$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de> me@privacy.net writes:

    > What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp?


    Why not borrow a better one and decide for yourself? My first
    amplifier upgrade (to a Hafler) allowed me to hear smaller changes
    that I was making in EQ. A borrowed Bryston gave me a little better
    low end (because of the way it controlled the speakers, not because it
    had better low frequency response than the Hafler, which it didn't)
    but not enough to spring for the $500. I decided that the Hafler was
    fine, but it was definitely worth upgrading whatever I was using
    before it, a small BGW, I think, to the Hafler.




    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  4. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    Road Warrior wrote:
    >
    > I've spent a pretty good deal of $$$ on my home set up. I mix with a Mackie
    > 24X8 but I have 6 nice preamp channels to record tracks. I have nice mics,
    > good compressors, etc. and I spent a lot of time and $$$ on making a small
    > room sound better than average. I'm happy with the sounds I get. The only
    > time I have to use the Mackie pre's are when I'm tracking drums and I
    > usually use those pre's on tome. The tom sounds are at least satisfactory to
    > my ears.
    >
    > Other than mixing on a Mackie, the only other "cheap" item I have (use) is
    > an Alesis RA 100 power amp to drive Tannoy Reveals.
    >



    When MARS was still open, and I was auditioning monitors,
    they had stuff rigged to where you could switch amps in/out.

    They had an RA 100 and a Hafler. The Hafler sounded
    less grainy, but it wasn't a *huge* difference. The
    Hafler was also a little tighter in the bottom end,
    a tad less flubby on a sloppy mix I'd brought.

    If you can lay hands on a Hafler and try it, compare. I
    doubt the RA 100's holding things back much, though.

    > For some reason I keep neglecting to replace that power amp.
    >
    > What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp? I'm pretty
    > stuck with nearfield monitoring because my mix room is just "OK", so just
    > wondering if I can do any better with a cleaner power amp. I've never tried
    > anything else for comparison.
    >
    > Thanks for any help.
    >
    > --
    > Jeff
    > http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore



    --
    Les Cargill
  5. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    Road Warrior wrote:
    >


    > Other than mixing on a Mackie, the only other "cheap" item I have (use) is
    > an Alesis RA 100 power amp to drive Tannoy Reveals.
    >
    > For some reason I keep neglecting to replace that power amp.
    >
    > What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp? I'm pretty
    > stuck with nearfield monitoring because my mix room is just "OK", so just
    > wondering if I can do any better with a cleaner power amp. I've never tried
    > anything else for comparison.


    You've gotten some other reasonable replies. Here is my $0.02 worth. I
    have an RA-100 and still use it with some small AR speakers for check
    mix. It used to power a pair of Tannoy PBM6.5-II. When I acquired a
    Bryston 4B-ST I compared the two amps. What I noted was an improvement
    in clarity and definition, especially in the low end to low mids. The
    Tannoys had a more mushy, muddy quality with the RA-100 than with the
    Bryston. It would be definitely worthwhile to check out the Hafler
    mentioned and see if you hear an improvement for yourself.

    bobs

    Bob Smith
    BS Studios
    we organize chaos
    http://www.bsstudios.com
  6. Sugarite

    Sugarite Guest

    In case you don't know already, never turn a solid state power amp off, keep
    it warm.
  7. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    Road Warrior <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    >For some reason I keep neglecting to replace that power amp.
    >
    >What are my ears NOT hearing by not buying a better power amp? I'm pretty
    >stuck with nearfield monitoring because my mix room is just "OK", so just
    >wondering if I can do any better with a cleaner power amp. I've never tried
    >anything else for comparison.


    Go to a local high end audio place. Borrow a good amp for the weekend on
    loan. You'll find out, very quickly.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  8. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <lTX4b.6551$Pa1.312704@read1.cgocable.net> nobody@home.com writes:

    > In case you don't know already, never turn a solid state power amp off, keep
    > it warm.


    You don't live in California, do you? Or are you trying to boost your
    stock in the power company?

    This is a crock of horse manure.



    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  9. Sugarite <nobody@home.com> wrote:

    > In case you don't know already, never turn a solid state power amp off, keep
    > it warm.


    Yeah, right, keep that RA100 cookin', and love that electricity.

    "Dood, I NEVER turn off my Alesis!!! I just can't use it if it's not all
    the way warmed up!"

    --
    ha

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