what are you using drum overheads these days?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Rich Wilner, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. Rich Wilner

    Rich Wilner Guest

    just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.
  2. Steve Holt

    Steve Holt Guest

    I use 451s too. They sound great for drum overheads. With a Senn 421 on
    snare and RE 20 on kick.

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    "Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com...
    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.
  3. "Rich Wilner" <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com...

    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


    KM 184's...


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    Jeff
    http://www.mp3.com/JeffLiberatore
  4. Rob Adelman

    Rob Adelman Guest

    Rich Wilner wrote:

    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


    Using at4051a's
  5. I'm trying to simplify everything these days. Going back to the ol'
    three mic trick as often as possible. I've been using an AT5040
    overhead in omni. I'm sure I'd rather have a U47 or 251Elam if I had
    one. But I'm happy.
    later,
    m
  6. ScotFraser

    ScotFraser Guest

    << just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays. >>

    Lately I'm liking a single overhead better than stereo, & using a TLM103 into a
    Red 7 for that. For stereo it's still the KM140s in ORTF into a DVC.

    Scott Fraser
  7. Garthrr

    Garthrr Guest

    In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
    richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) writes:

    >just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    >i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    >drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    >which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


    For quite a while I was using Earthworks ZX 30 cardioids but then I tried a
    Soundelux U195 and liked it so much I bought another just so I could use them
    for drum OH. I have also had pretty good results with KSM 32 and AT4050 pairs.
    I have yet to try my AT4047 in that app but I think it might work well.

    Garth~


    "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
    Ed Cherney
  8. jim andrews

    jim andrews Guest

    In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
    richardwilner@hotmail.com says...

    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


    On the record I'm doing now, I used a pair of Royer 121 ribbon mics.
    The overall sound is a bit on the dark side, but everything is there,
    and it seems that they are highly "EQ-able". I can bring up the high
    end to get a bit more cymbal presence, and things don't get screechy at
    all.

    I borrowed one of the mics to do this -- I think I'm gonna have to buy
    one so as to always have a pair on hand. Me likey.

    jim andrews
    basset sound
    austin, tx
  9. Joshua David

    Joshua David Guest

    Josephson C42s or occasionally a Soundelux U195....
    Joshua
  10. Lou Gimenez

    Lou Gimenez Guest

    I've used 4050's for overheads, lately I've been using them for room mics. I
    use a pair of earthworks SR77's most of the time
    --Lou Gimenez
    The Music Lab
    2" 24track w all the Goodies
    www.musiclabnyc.com



    > From: richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner)
    > Organization: http://groups.google.com/
    > Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
    > Date: 21 Aug 2003 06:37:49 -0700
    > Subject: Re: what are you using drum overheads these days?
    >
    >> For quite a while I was using Earthworks ZX 30 cardioids but then I tried a
    >> Soundelux U195 and liked it so much I bought another just so I could use them
    >> for drum OH. I have also had pretty good results with KSM 32 and AT4050
    >> pairs.
    >> I have yet to try my AT4047 in that app but I think it might work well.
    >>
    >> Garth~
    >>
    >>
    >> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
    >> Ed Cherney

    >
    >
    > my experience with LDCs as overheads is great sounding drums, and
    > weird sounding cymbals (nasally usually). butthen i've only ever used
    > the chinese condensers, never anything with decent off-axis response.
    > when do you choose LDCs over the SDCs? I've been looking at a pair of
    > KSM32/44 or AT4050 for a little while now, both for vox and dms oh.
    > and btw, for rock kick drum, atm25 is the best mic around for the
    > money (at least that's my opinion this week).
    > Rich
  11. I'm using a variety, Usually early silver 451's with ck1, sometimes a
    shure vp88, sometimes an AKG c422 stereo mic and rarely a pair of
    U87's.
    The 451's are mostly the ones used, spaced apart on both sides of the
    kit about 6ft up maybe more, maybe less. I'd really like to try a pair
    of schoeps 221's though. They sound like a million on a high hat, just
    curious how they would be on OH
    Aaron Householter
    studio1117
  12. Rich Wilner wrote:
    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.


    Modified C460B's, mostly.
  13. jim andrews wrote:
    >
    > On the record I'm doing now, I used a pair of Royer 121 ribbon mics.
    > The overall sound is a bit on the dark side, but everything is there,
    > and it seems that they are highly "EQ-able". I can bring up the high
    > end to get a bit more cymbal presence, and things don't get screechy at
    > all.
    >
    > I borrowed one of the mics to do this -- I think I'm gonna have to buy
    > one so as to always have a pair on hand. Me likey.


    You should listen to an SF-12 as well. I've heard some fantastic stuff
    done with one up and out front of the kit.

    Try your R-121 on kick, about 3 feet out and pointed down 45ยบ towards
    the floor.
  14. P Stamler

    P Stamler Guest

    KM-84s, or SM-81s if the drummer hits too hard for KM-84s. Once in a while,
    don't laugh, Alesis AM-44s -- great impact. In all cases, they're in XY or
    ORTF, depending on how much space I want in the sound.

    Peace,
    Paul
  15. Jay Kadis

    Jay Kadis Guest

    In article <1061485337.976083@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net> Kurt Albershardt
    <kurt@nv.net> writes:
    > Rich Wilner wrote:
    > > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.

    >
    > Modified C460B's, mostly.


    With CK-61 or CK-62? I've found the CK-61 to be kind of strident compared to
    the omni capsule. Anyway, I've ordered a pair of Josephson C42s for cardioids
    to replace the C460s.

    What mods and did they help?

    -Jay
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  16. Nick H

    Nick H Guest

    2 Coles & a Korby...
    Woo Hoo!
  17. Jay Kadis wrote:
    > In article <1061485337.976083@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net> Kurt Albershardt
    > <kurt@nv.net> writes:
    >
    >> Rich Wilner wrote:
    >>
    >>> just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.

    >>
    >> Modified C460B's, mostly.

    >
    >
    > With CK-61 or CK-62? I've found the CK-61 to be kind of strident compared to
    > the omni capsule.


    CK-62, often CK-63 depending on the room.



    > Anyway, I've ordered a pair of Josephson C42s for cardioids
    > to replace the C460s.
    >
    > What mods and did they help?


    Jim Williams does a complete forklift upgrade on the amplifier bodies.
    Frontend FET and driver amp are replaced, all the caps are upgraded, and
    the transformer is removed. $175 makes it a completely different mic.
  18. Fibes

    Fibes Guest

    On 21 Aug 2003 11:35:06 -0700, nother68@hotmail.com (Nick H) wrote:

    >2 Coles & a Korby...
    >Woo Hoo!


    heh.

    i'm all about the SM2, a pair of 121s or the occasional 184 combo. I
    tried those Blue Balls the other night and they sucked just as bad
    there as everywhere else. heh heh.

    Fibes

    "You can like it, or not like it."
  19. Wayne

    Wayne Guest

    Usually AT4050's or AT4041's. Sometimes three mics using AT4050 over snare,
    TLM103 over the floor tom(right shoulder) and RE20 or ATM25 on kick.

    Wayne
  20. Garthrr

    Garthrr Guest

    In article <e5e18e0f.0308210537.6a392ddf@posting.google.com>,
    richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) writes:

    >my experience with LDCs as overheads is great sounding drums, and
    >weird sounding cymbals (nasally usually). butthen i've only ever used
    >the chinese condensers, never anything with decent off-axis response.
    >when do you choose LDCs over the SDCs?


    When they seem to sound better. I was fairly happy with the Earthworks for a
    couple of years but I wasnt nut about them and nothing else I had tried was
    better. When I tried the U195s I noticed that I liked the cymbals
    more--silkier, less brash. I had occassion to record the same drummer and his
    same kit on a number of songs, some with the Earthworks and some with the
    Soundelux. When it came time to mix it was obvious that the Soundelux tracks
    were much more musical sweet. In comparison I noticed a boxiness in the
    Earthworks tracks. To be fair, I think the boxiness is mostly my room but
    nevertheless the U195 tracks just sounded better so I continue to default to
    them.
    The KSM 32 is a 3/4" diaphram if I remember correctly so they might have better
    off axis response than large dia and I would bet they would sound smoother than
    most of the Chinese LD mics. Thats my guess anyway.
    Garth~


    "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
    Ed Cherney

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