what are you using drum overheads these days?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Rich Wilner, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. Garthrr

    Garthrr Guest

    In article <vkbghqdtj0ga15@corp.supernews.com>, "John L Rice"
    <Drummer@ImJohn.com> writes:

    >A pair of Neumann TLM193


    How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting another
    for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding.

    Garth~


    "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
    Ed Cherney
  2. I tend to use a small combination of Altec M11 and M20, RCA BK-5B,
    Neumann U89, B&O BM-5, with some EV RE-20 and AKG D112 down low.
    Rarely end up using more than 4 of those in a mix, and I find I get
    more usable tracks on tape if I don't even set up more than 4 of them.


    ulysses
  3. John L Rice

    John L Rice Guest

    "Garthrr" <garthrr@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030822173429.12300.00000086@mb-m20.aol.com...
    > In article <vkbghqdtj0ga15@corp.supernews.com>, "John L Rice"
    > <Drummer@ImJohn.com> writes:
    >
    > >A pair of Neumann TLM193

    >
    > How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting

    another
    > for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding.
    >
    > Garth~
    >
    >
    > "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
    > Ed Cherney


    I like them a lot. I run them through two channels of John Hardy M-1. It's
    a nice combination. I was using a pair of Audix TR40's which I also liked a
    lot and had a more impressive low end sound ( mainly since they are omni's
    I'll guess ) but occasionally they seemed to distort slightly on
    particularly loud cymbal crashes. I did try a pair of Shure KSM32's but
    they brought out too much of my ( horrible ) room sound. If I had a great
    sounding room they might of been fine but the TLM193's worked really well,
    partially because the room sound seemed less pronounced. I also use a Royer
    R121 as a room mic.

    You should give your TLM193 a try as a mono overhead and see what you think.

    Best of luck!

    John L Rice
    Drummer@ImJohn.com
  4. Tom Garneau

    Tom Garneau Guest

    Neumann KM-264's and a Royer SF-12

    I cut them both and decide which pair to use later.

    cheers,

    tom

    Rich Wilner <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.
  5. ScotFraser

    ScotFraser Guest

    << How do you like them in that app? I have one and thought about getting
    another
    for exactly that use. My fear was that they would be too dark sounding. >>

    I've used a pair of TLM193s on overheads, & they are somewhat dark, but not
    overly so. Mainly it just didn't do anything special for me & since I have a
    lot of other pairs I haven't tried too hard to make it work. For location
    recording I've occasionally put one TLM193 out front because that was what was
    fast & easy, but for one point drum miking I'm preferring a TLM103.



    Scott Fraser
  6. Typical small diaphragm mics like B&Ks, Sennheiser MKH-40, AKG 451s, but
    usually not Schoeps. I sometimes use them elsewhere, but not as
    overheads. XY or ORTF typically. I save the big Neumanns for room mics
    (often M50 or M49, but U87 or TLM170 sometimes - the TLM70 is a great
    jack of all trades and great on piano), but not usually for overheads.
    KM 84s or 184s are a great pick for hi-hat, but again, not usually
    overheads. I have tried the "not typically used" examples above, among
    others like SM81 or AT4051, and they all gave acceptable results, but
    didn't find their way into common use as overheads. The first three seem
    to do a better job, and the others are too valuable in other places.

    --
    Jay Frigoletto
    Mastersuite
    Los Angeles
    promastering.com
  7. mr.gefell

    mr.gefell Guest

    richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.



    microtech gefell mk202 mic capsule + mv 220 p48 mic body--->chandler tg-2


    best shit i have heard in a long time.
  8. ScotFraser

    ScotFraser Guest

    << Oh yeah, and sometimes I'll stick a small-diaphragm omni condensor
    about 2"-3" above the kick next to the rack tom pointed at the side of
    the snare and squash to taste. >>

    So this is below the rim of the rack tom? Do you get a reasonable blend of rack
    & floor tom in here, or does the compression make that a moot point?


    Scott Fraser
  9. In article <e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>,
    Rich Wilner <richardwilner@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    >i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    >drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    >which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.


    I use a pair of KM84 for left-right overheads, and for rock stuff,
    usually a BLUE B7 on either an AKG 451 body or an AKG C61 body for a
    center mike, over the drummer's right shoulder (but basically
    centered, as you describe). The center mike is there mostly to pick
    up a more distant version of the drums, especially snare, and not
    really the cymbals, and it's only really needed when I'm doing rock
    stuff where things have to be hyped beyond belief. It does mess up
    the cymbal sound, but it helps the snare and tom sound so I deal with
    it.

    If all I care about is picking up the kit, a pair of 84s with some
    spot mikes will make me very happy. I've tried all manner of
    condensers for this application, but for some reason, cymbals don't
    sound right to me unless they're from KM84s. Other mikes I've tried
    tend to piss me off with excess HF response or beaming, so I don't
    bother with them any more.

    I do use a bit of EQ on the overheads, especially below 500-1K, but as
    a starting point, I really like the high end of the KM84. It just
    sounds 'right' to me, for some unknown reason, and I can't EQ the high
    end of other mikes into the high end I get from the 84s. So, I use
    84s...


    Best of luck,

    Monte McGuire
    mcguire@theworld.com
  10. Mike Janas

    Mike Janas Guest

    I use a B&K 4007 (but could be any small condensor)and, come to think
    of it, it is generally above the lower rim of the rack tom. I put on
    headphones & move the mic around until I'm happy with the balance. I
    compress the mic to tape, but generally don't pound it - I'm just
    using it to help control overall peaks. When I mix I can add more
    compression if needed. This works very well with a 4-piece kit, but
    can be more challenging with a 5-piece.

    MJ


    scotfraser@aol.com (ScotFraser) wrote in message news:<20030824142841.21799.00000550@mb-m01.aol.com>...
    > << Oh yeah, and sometimes I'll stick a small-diaphragm omni condensor
    > about 2"-3" above the kick next to the rack tom pointed at the side of
    > the snare and squash to taste. >>
    >
    > So this is below the rim of the rack tom? Do you get a reasonable blend of rack
    > & floor tom in here, or does the compression make that a moot point?
    >
    >
    > Scott Fraser
  11. deharmonic

    deharmonic Guest

    i've been using 2 oktava mk219s on a diagonal axis with satisfactory results

    richardwilner@hotmail.com (Rich Wilner) wrote in message news:<e5e18e0f.0308201824.7a79869@posting.google.com>...
    > just wondering what folks are using for drum overheads nowadays.
    > i have a pair of 451/ck1 that I use, and I stick an ECM8000 over the
    > drummers bass drum knee right in the middle of the kit as a mid oh,
    > which I compress and use to reinforce the center image.

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