What EQ etc will make a Strat + V-Amp2 sound acoustic?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Tony Roe, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. Tony Roe

    Tony Roe Guest

    OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been using
    the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to get a
    little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic
    simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?

    Regards,
    Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)
  2. Tim Padrick

    Tim Padrick Guest

    You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used
    in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup.
    Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34



    "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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    > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been

    using
    > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to

    get a
    > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic
    > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)
  3. [mmuk]

    [mmuk] Guest

    "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message
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    > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used
    > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle

    pickup.
    > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34
    >
    > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
    > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com...
    > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've

    been
    > using
    > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like

    to
    > get a
    > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic
    > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?



    That would sound awful using a Strat as it's a solid-body electric and has
    no resonance at all. The acoustic simulators on guitar FX pedals work
    fairly well - although don't expect miracles from the cheaper ones. I think
    they're basically EQ's and just tweak the guitar's sound to make it sound
    vaguely like an acoustic. The neck pickup on it's own should be enough,
    with the tone down. The chorus seems to help too, I've found.

    p.
  4. Thunder

    Thunder Guest

    LR Baggs also makes a good piezo pickup. I have not put one in yet because
    I can't decide if I should do it to my Strat or Tele but I fell in love withthe Fishman
    sound watching the DVD of The Who at The Royal Albert Hall.

    The other recommended item to go along with it is the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic
    D.I. I did buy one of those and it works great for an acoustic or an electric with
    piezos. Funny, haven't tried it with my electrics yet.

    It really allows you to adjust the sound to give back the acoustic sound.
    http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/preamps_paradi.shtml

    http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/products_pickups.shtml




    "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com...
    > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used
    > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup.
    > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34
    >
    > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
    > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com...
    > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been

    > using
    > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to

    > get a
    > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic
    > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?
  5. Thunder

    Thunder Guest

    Just tried my Strat straight into my PA using the Para Acoustic and it
    sounded damn good. Very acoustic sparkly. I don't know if it is worth
    it just for that though. I got it so I could run my acoustic in and it sounds
    AMAZING for that.

    "Thunder" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message news:OL6cnX6al7_oO86iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
    > LR Baggs also makes a good piezo pickup. I have not put one in yet because
    > I can't decide if I should do it to my Strat or Tele but I fell in love withthe Fishman
    > sound watching the DVD of The Who at The Royal Albert Hall.
    >
    > The other recommended item to go along with it is the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic
    > D.I. I did buy one of those and it works great for an acoustic or an electric with
    > piezos. Funny, haven't tried it with my electrics yet.
    >
    > It really allows you to adjust the sound to give back the acoustic sound.
    > http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/preamps_paradi.shtml
    >
    > http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/products_pickups.shtml
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com...
    > > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used
    > > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup.
    > > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34
    > >
    > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
    > > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com...
    > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    > > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been

    > > using
    > > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to

    > > get a
    > > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic
    > > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?

    >
    >
    >
  6. Rookie

    Rookie Guest

    The V-Amp has some presets that can sound almost acoustic with a reasonable
    pickup position, like the 7D one.
  7. > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic,

    I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic
    sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics
    played live.

    I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.
  8. Richard

    Richard Guest

    spam@email.sux wrote...
    > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic,

    >
    > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic
    > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics
    > played live.


    That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them.

    > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.


    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  9. FRETBUZZ

    FRETBUZZ Guest

    Hiya Richard

    I use an old zoom 8080 multi effects pedal which has one of those "acoustic"
    simulators built in and I think it is something to do with enhancing certain
    frequencies (even though it's lumped in with the distortion module on the
    zoom); on the preset, there's also a hint of delay and reverb as well as a
    touch of chorus unit. On the subject of chorus, I find that I get a much
    nicer chorus effect using the stereo pitch shift rather than the chorus
    proper - it's less harsh; for a really nice chorus I use the following
    settings on my unit:
    PIT(ch shift) PtL = 0 BlL = 50
    PtR = 0 BlR = 50

    I forget exactly what the Bl is - balance between 'wet' and dry sound, but
    this setting gives me a very nice yet not overpowering chorus effect - which
    should be much better on pro spec units.

    Generally speaking, I tend to use the front/middle p/u combi on my squier
    strat for the acoustic sound to give a nice mellow tone, and the bridge/mid
    for the edgier tones (I had some of the passive, EMG designed pickups on the
    Fender strat I used to own, which sounded surprisingly good with this unit).

    Regards

    Fretbuzz




    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > spam@email.sux wrote...
    > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic,

    > >
    > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic
    > > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real

    acoustics
    > > played live.

    >
    > That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them.
    >
    > > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.

    >
    > --
    > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
    >
  10. FRETBUZZ

    FRETBUZZ Guest

    And returning to the original question of the thread (says he noticing he'd
    totally ignored it....) why not spend a little bit of time playing about
    with that setting for chorus-style effect I suggested in my other post, plus
    'tweaking' the eq part of your V-Amp to boost the higher frequencies
    slightly but not excessively, and try adding combinations of delays and
    reverbs - again not to excess, depth wise; or start with the preset of the
    Vamp and tweak that till you get an acoustic-like sound you like with any
    combination of your pickups.

    Regards (again)
    Fretbuzz


    "FRETBUZZ" <fretbuzz01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bj0p1s$q55$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > Hiya Richard
    >
    > I use an old zoom 8080 multi effects pedal which has one of those

    "acoustic"
    > simulators built in and I think it is something to do with enhancing

    certain
    > frequencies (even though it's lumped in with the distortion module on the
    > zoom); on the preset, there's also a hint of delay and reverb as well as a
    > touch of chorus unit. On the subject of chorus, I find that I get a much
    > nicer chorus effect using the stereo pitch shift rather than the chorus
    > proper - it's less harsh; for a really nice chorus I use the following
    > settings on my unit:
    > PIT(ch shift) PtL = 0 BlL = 50
    > PtR = 0 BlR = 50
    >
    > I forget exactly what the Bl is - balance between 'wet' and dry sound, but
    > this setting gives me a very nice yet not overpowering chorus effect -

    which
    > should be much better on pro spec units.
    >
    > Generally speaking, I tend to use the front/middle p/u combi on my squier
    > strat for the acoustic sound to give a nice mellow tone, and the

    bridge/mid
    > for the edgier tones (I had some of the passive, EMG designed pickups on

    the
    > Fender strat I used to own, which sounded surprisingly good with this

    unit).
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Fretbuzz
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.19bda74d3cdff65498982f@news.verizon.net...
    > > spam@email.sux wrote...
    > > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic,
    > > >
    > > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an

    acoustic
    > > > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real

    > acoustics
    > > > played live.

    > >
    > > That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them.
    > >
    > > > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.

    > >
    > > --
    > > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
    > >

    >
    >
  11. Thunder

    Thunder Guest

    Fuckin' read much mate?


    "Boogie Woogie Flu" <spam@email.sux> wrote in message news:i%Q4b.527$N95.348@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic,

    >
    > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic
    > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics
    > played live.
    >
    > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.
    >
    >
  12. Joe Lawrence

    Joe Lawrence Guest

    "[mmuk]" <no-spam@no-email.com> wrote in message
    news:bivbhp$osi$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    > "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com...
    > > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that

    used
    > > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle

    > pickup.
    > > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34
    > >
    > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
    > > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com...
    > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but

    it's
    > > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've

    > been
    > > using
    > > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just

    like
    > to
    > > get a
    > > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an

    acoustic
    > > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?

    >
    >
    > That would sound awful using a Strat as it's a solid-body electric and has
    > no resonance at all. The acoustic simulators on guitar FX pedals work
    > fairly well - although don't expect miracles from the cheaper ones. I

    think
    > they're basically EQ's and just tweak the guitar's sound to make it sound
    > vaguely like an acoustic. The neck pickup on it's own should be enough,
    > with the tone down. The chorus seems to help too, I've found.
    >
    > p.
    >
    >

    Actually the piezo strat bridges sound pretty good amplified...they don't
    sound like a well mic'ed acoustic but they sound close to a piezo equipped
    acoustic electric.Main difference is the type of strings. A descent strat
    should have some sustain and resonance's shouldn't be a problem.Actually the
    lack of an acoustic chamber make it have less problems with bad
    resonance's.Easier to eq.

    The cheapest way to simulate acoustic tones(w/ standard strat gtr) is to
    bypass the guitar cab speaker or processor speaker cab simulator.Most guitar
    cabs start to roll off above 7-8k. It's the 8k to 16k highs that make the
    acoustic "shimmer". I've heard bands where the guitarist runs a line out
    from the preamp with no cabinet simulation and the clean sounds have an
    "acoustic" quality to them. Then when they step on the distortion or
    overdrive...look out. That "extra" high end sounds like crap. Yes 12''
    speakers produce highs but most guitar style drivers attenuate them so the
    sound is much warmer.

    Configure your processor to bypass cab sim only for acoustic "sounds' or run
    2 pre outputs or an A/B switch. But IMO the LR Bagg, Fishman, or Mike
    Christian pickups do the job. Or try the Godin "2 voice" guitars, Line 6
    Variax.All one guitar solutions.

    Joe L
  13. Tony Roe wrote:

    >OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    >impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well.


    Neck pickup.

    Clean V-AMP or Fender Twin model
    Drive = ON
    Cab (11) or (13) or (15)
    EQ Mostly flat, use bass to control boom,
    mids+hi to hear it in the mix,
    Preamp (Patch) fairly low
    Volume (patch) about 90%

    Volume (V-AMP main out) to match level with your normal signal

    A *little* Reverb #3 or *very* light chorus - use the "2nd"
    function switch to de-emphasize the chorus sweep.

    If you run much above 15% on the reverb and chorus it'll
    compress your signal pretty hard. Less is better.



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  14. Tony Roe

    Tony Roe Guest

    Thanks - I'll try them all when I get the gear out again.

    On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:07:27 GMT, jshinal_REMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com (John
    S. Shinal) wrote:

    >Tony Roe wrote:
    >
    >>OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's
    >>impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well.

    >
    > Neck pickup.
    >
    > Clean V-AMP or Fender Twin model
    > Drive = ON
    > Cab (11) or (13) or (15)
    > EQ Mostly flat, use bass to control boom,
    > mids+hi to hear it in the mix,
    > Preamp (Patch) fairly low
    > Volume (patch) about 90%
    >
    > Volume (V-AMP main out) to match level with your normal signal
    >
    > A *little* Reverb #3 or *very* light chorus - use the "2nd"
    > function switch to de-emphasize the chorus sweep.
    >
    > If you run much above 15% on the reverb and chorus it'll
    > compress your signal pretty hard. Less is better.
    >
    >
    >
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    Regards,
    Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)

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