OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been using the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to get a little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful? Regards, Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)
You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup. Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34 "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com... > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been using > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to get a > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful? > > Regards, > Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)
"Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com... > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup. > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34 > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com... > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been > using > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to > get a > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful? That would sound awful using a Strat as it's a solid-body electric and has no resonance at all. The acoustic simulators on guitar FX pedals work fairly well - although don't expect miracles from the cheaper ones. I think they're basically EQ's and just tweak the guitar's sound to make it sound vaguely like an acoustic. The neck pickup on it's own should be enough, with the tone down. The chorus seems to help too, I've found. p.
LR Baggs also makes a good piezo pickup. I have not put one in yet because I can't decide if I should do it to my Strat or Tele but I fell in love withthe Fishman sound watching the DVD of The Who at The Royal Albert Hall. The other recommended item to go along with it is the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic D.I. I did buy one of those and it works great for an acoustic or an electric with piezos. Funny, haven't tried it with my electrics yet. It really allows you to adjust the sound to give back the acoustic sound. http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/preamps_paradi.shtml http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/products_pickups.shtml "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com... > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup. > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34 > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com... > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been > using > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to > get a > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful?
Just tried my Strat straight into my PA using the Para Acoustic and it sounded damn good. Very acoustic sparkly. I don't know if it is worth it just for that though. I got it so I could run my acoustic in and it sounds AMAZING for that. "Thunder" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message news:OL6cnX6al7_oO86iU-KYgg@comcast.com... > LR Baggs also makes a good piezo pickup. I have not put one in yet because > I can't decide if I should do it to my Strat or Tele but I fell in love withthe Fishman > sound watching the DVD of The Who at The Royal Albert Hall. > > The other recommended item to go along with it is the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic > D.I. I did buy one of those and it works great for an acoustic or an electric with > piezos. Funny, haven't tried it with my electrics yet. > > It really allows you to adjust the sound to give back the acoustic sound. > http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/preamps_paradi.shtml > > http://www.lrbaggs.com/html/products/products_pickups.shtml > > > > > "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com... > > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used > > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle pickup. > > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34 > > > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com... > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's > > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've been > > using > > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like to > > get a > > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic > > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful? > > >
The V-Amp has some presets that can sound almost acoustic with a reasonable pickup position, like the 7D one.
> OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics played live. I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great.
spam@email.sux wrote... > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics > played live. That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them. > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great. -- Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
Hiya Richard I use an old zoom 8080 multi effects pedal which has one of those "acoustic" simulators built in and I think it is something to do with enhancing certain frequencies (even though it's lumped in with the distortion module on the zoom); on the preset, there's also a hint of delay and reverb as well as a touch of chorus unit. On the subject of chorus, I find that I get a much nicer chorus effect using the stereo pitch shift rather than the chorus proper - it's less harsh; for a really nice chorus I use the following settings on my unit: PIT(ch shift) PtL = 0 BlL = 50 PtR = 0 BlR = 50 I forget exactly what the Bl is - balance between 'wet' and dry sound, but this setting gives me a very nice yet not overpowering chorus effect - which should be much better on pro spec units. Generally speaking, I tend to use the front/middle p/u combi on my squier strat for the acoustic sound to give a nice mellow tone, and the bridge/mid for the edgier tones (I had some of the passive, EMG designed pickups on the Fender strat I used to own, which sounded surprisingly good with this unit). Regards Fretbuzz "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19bda74d3cdff65498982f@news.verizon.net... > spam@email.sux wrote... > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, > > > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic > > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics > > played live. > > That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them. > > > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great. > > -- > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras. >
And returning to the original question of the thread (says he noticing he'd totally ignored it....) why not spend a little bit of time playing about with that setting for chorus-style effect I suggested in my other post, plus 'tweaking' the eq part of your V-Amp to boost the higher frequencies slightly but not excessively, and try adding combinations of delays and reverbs - again not to excess, depth wise; or start with the preset of the Vamp and tweak that till you get an acoustic-like sound you like with any combination of your pickups. Regards (again) Fretbuzz "FRETBUZZ" <fretbuzz01@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bj0p1s$q55$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Hiya Richard > > I use an old zoom 8080 multi effects pedal which has one of those "acoustic" > simulators built in and I think it is something to do with enhancing certain > frequencies (even though it's lumped in with the distortion module on the > zoom); on the preset, there's also a hint of delay and reverb as well as a > touch of chorus unit. On the subject of chorus, I find that I get a much > nicer chorus effect using the stereo pitch shift rather than the chorus > proper - it's less harsh; for a really nice chorus I use the following > settings on my unit: > PIT(ch shift) PtL = 0 BlL = 50 > PtR = 0 BlR = 50 > > I forget exactly what the Bl is - balance between 'wet' and dry sound, but > this setting gives me a very nice yet not overpowering chorus effect - which > should be much better on pro spec units. > > Generally speaking, I tend to use the front/middle p/u combi on my squier > strat for the acoustic sound to give a nice mellow tone, and the bridge/mid > for the edgier tones (I had some of the passive, EMG designed pickups on the > Fender strat I used to own, which sounded surprisingly good with this unit). > > Regards > > Fretbuzz > > > > > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.19bda74d3cdff65498982f@news.verizon.net... > > spam@email.sux wrote... > > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, > > > > > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic > > > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real > acoustics > > > played live. > > > > That's the Fishman bridge, isn't it? I heard he was endorsing them. > > > > > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great. > > > > -- > > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras. > > > >
Fuckin' read much mate? "Boogie Woogie Flu" <spam@email.sux> wrote in message news:i%Q4b.527$N95.348@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, > > I saw Pete Townshend a few years ago with The 'oo and he got an acoustic > sound out of his Strat that sounded better to me than most real acoustics > played live. > > I don't know what other gear he used with it but it sounded great. > >
"[mmuk]" <no-spam@no-email.com> wrote in message news:bivbhp$osi$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > "Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:EDedncszxodmgM6iXTWJjg@comcast.com... > > You need to have a piezo pickup installed in the bridge, such as that used > > in the Parker Fly guitars. There's also the Christian under-saddle > pickup. > > Check out http://www.fishman.com/products/displayProduct.asp?product=34 > > > > "Tony Roe" <a_roe@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > > news:6226lv0bih9rbjhl92obgu4g6lr2s7plrm@4ax.com... > > > OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's > > > impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. I've > been > > using > > > the neck+middle PU combination and a touch of chorus but, I'd just like > to > > get a > > > little closer than that if I can. Some multi-FX pedals have an acoustic > > > simulator - anyone know just what they do? and whether it's useful? > > > That would sound awful using a Strat as it's a solid-body electric and has > no resonance at all. The acoustic simulators on guitar FX pedals work > fairly well - although don't expect miracles from the cheaper ones. I think > they're basically EQ's and just tweak the guitar's sound to make it sound > vaguely like an acoustic. The neck pickup on it's own should be enough, > with the tone down. The chorus seems to help too, I've found. > > p. > > Actually the piezo strat bridges sound pretty good amplified...they don't sound like a well mic'ed acoustic but they sound close to a piezo equipped acoustic electric.Main difference is the type of strings. A descent strat should have some sustain and resonance's shouldn't be a problem.Actually the lack of an acoustic chamber make it have less problems with bad resonance's.Easier to eq. The cheapest way to simulate acoustic tones(w/ standard strat gtr) is to bypass the guitar cab speaker or processor speaker cab simulator.Most guitar cabs start to roll off above 7-8k. It's the 8k to 16k highs that make the acoustic "shimmer". I've heard bands where the guitarist runs a line out from the preamp with no cabinet simulation and the clean sounds have an "acoustic" quality to them. Then when they step on the distortion or overdrive...look out. That "extra" high end sounds like crap. Yes 12'' speakers produce highs but most guitar style drivers attenuate them so the sound is much warmer. Configure your processor to bypass cab sim only for acoustic "sounds' or run 2 pre outputs or an A/B switch. But IMO the LR Bagg, Fishman, or Mike Christian pickups do the job. Or try the Godin "2 voice" guitars, Line 6 Variax.All one guitar solutions. Joe L
Tony Roe wrote: >OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's >impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. Neck pickup. Clean V-AMP or Fender Twin model Drive = ON Cab (11) or (13) or (15) EQ Mostly flat, use bass to control boom, mids+hi to hear it in the mix, Preamp (Patch) fairly low Volume (patch) about 90% Volume (V-AMP main out) to match level with your normal signal A *little* Reverb #3 or *very* light chorus - use the "2nd" function switch to de-emphasize the chorus sweep. If you run much above 15% on the reverb and chorus it'll compress your signal pretty hard. Less is better. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Thanks - I'll try them all when I get the gear out again. On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:07:27 GMT, jshinal_REMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com (John S. Shinal) wrote: >Tony Roe wrote: > >>OK - I know a Strat will never actually sound like an acoustic, but it's >>impractical for me to take an acoustic with me to gigs as well. > > Neck pickup. > > Clean V-AMP or Fender Twin model > Drive = ON > Cab (11) or (13) or (15) > EQ Mostly flat, use bass to control boom, > mids+hi to hear it in the mix, > Preamp (Patch) fairly low > Volume (patch) about 90% > > Volume (V-AMP main out) to match level with your normal signal > > A *little* Reverb #3 or *very* light chorus - use the "2nd" > function switch to de-emphasize the chorus sweep. > > If you run much above 15% on the reverb and chorus it'll > compress your signal pretty hard. Less is better. > > > >----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Regards, Tony (remove "_" from email address to reply)
