Which format is better? Midi or mp3?

Discussion in 'alt.music.midi' started by Roseb441702, Aug 16, 2003.

  1. Roseb441702

    Roseb441702 Guest

  2. A=MidiMan

    A=MidiMan Guest

    "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Totally wrong question... sorry!
    MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
    MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.

    A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical instrument
    or a PC soundcard connected.
    A mp3 can be played by any suitable player

    A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
    time you change the instrument(s) connected.
    A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.

    A midifile cannot contain any human voice
    A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.

    You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
    Bye
    A=MM
  3. Tim

    Tim Guest

    mp3 is also a 'lossy compression' format, which means that the audio does
    not contain everything in the data of the original recording. Therefore for
    making music using midi for keyboards, composition, etc... and WAV
    (uncompressed audio - or AIFF on a Mac) for the recorded audio would be the
    best of both worlds
    "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
    >
    > Totally wrong question... sorry!
    > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
    > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
    >
    > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical

    instrument
    > or a PC soundcard connected.
    > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
    >
    > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
    > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
    > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
    >
    > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
    > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
    >
    > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
    > Bye
    > A=MM
    >
    >
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    Better? better in what (e.g. sound)? better for who?
    The fact is... MIDI is much small, therefore better to store and transfer.
    The fact is... MP3 can record any kind of sounds while MIDI has only
    limited sound effects.

    I will say... MIDI is like a book. You read the story and you generate your
    own movie. MP3 is like a movie. You watch it as it is. So, it's hard to say
    whether a book is better than a movie generally.

    BTW, I'm not a book reader but a MIDI lover :)

    Phuoc Can HUA


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  5. cpsnox

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    you really shouldn't compare the two.

    MIDI is great if you want to play something based only on instruments. It's like perfectly playing a tab... on a lot of instruments. That's why classical music plays good on MIDI.

    MP3 is great for your everyday pop music. you can actually set the compression of an MP3, and Tim, it's not lossy as it is. if you probably compress something to like 64kbps, then it will loose a lot of it's original data. but if you do 192 or 320kbps... it may sound exactly as your CDA files. (it removes the parts that the human ear can't hear)
  6. a good mod (rare) can be better still

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    "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
    >
    > Totally wrong question... sorry!
    > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
    > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
    >
    > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical

    instrument
    > or a PC soundcard connected.
    > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
    >
    > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different any
    > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
    > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
    >
    > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
    > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
    >
    > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
    > Bye
    > A=MM
    >
    >
  7. Paul

    Paul Guest

    I would have though that a MIDI is like a microsoft word document that you
    can edit and print out where as the MP3 is like the printed result....


    "Andre" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
    news:w8jta5ujhw2z.1m6lgcenv6s76$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:53 +1000, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
    >
    > > a good mod (rare) can be better still

    >
    > I would guess, taking Phuoc's analogy (that a MIDI file is like a book,

    and
    > MP3 like a movie) further, a mod would be a book with pictures ;-)
    >
    > -
    > Andre'
  8. "Paul" <wf1000xg@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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    > I would have though that a MIDI is like a microsoft word document that you
    > can edit and print out where as the MP3 is like the printed result....


    Nah, MP3 is like a slighly blurry photocopy of the result.
    A "WAV" would be the quality printed result

    I guess a MOD would be something like heiroglyphics?
    A document where the words are made up of pictures

    This answer is very similar to an over-extended analogy ;o)


    >
    >
    > "Andre" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
    > news:w8jta5ujhw2z.1m6lgcenv6s76$.dlg@40tude.net...
    > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:53 +1000, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
    > >
    > > > a good mod (rare) can be better still

    > >
    > > I would guess, taking Phuoc's analogy (that a MIDI file is like a book,

    > and
    > > MP3 like a movie) further, a mod would be a book with pictures ;-)
    > >
    > > -
    > > Andre'

    >
    >
  9. Hello

    Hey this question is stupid ...


    what is the best between an old black and white movies without sounds or a
    brand new MATRIX movie in 5.1 or DTS ?

    midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
    mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size


    "Alex Van Starrex" <avanstar@tig.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
    news:bii2ac$8ru$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
    > a good mod (rare) can be better still
    >
    > --
    > ---
    >
    > The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
    > http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm
    >
    > My main web-site:
    > http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar
    >
    > My mp3 site:
    > http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/
    >
    > My RealVideo site:
    > http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html
    >
    > Now available: "Musical Graffiti - The Original Music-Site in a Zip-File".
    > 100 MED-MODs (around 25 hours of music) in a 3.8 MB zip-file.
    > (may be downloaded, uploaded and posted anywhere)
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------
    > "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
    > news:lJx%a.91899$cl3.2849209@news2.tin.it...
    > >
    > > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
    > >
    > > Totally wrong question... sorry!
    > > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
    > > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
    > >
    > > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical

    > instrument
    > > or a PC soundcard connected.
    > > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
    > >
    > > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different

    any
    > > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
    > > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
    > >
    > > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
    > > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
    > >
    > > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
    > > Bye
    > > A=MM
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  10. "Lewandowski Rémi" <viper54710@yahoo.fr> skrev i meddelandet
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    > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
    > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size


    It depends what instrument the MIDI is played through. I think the previous
    analogies in this thread (with the possible exception of my last
    contribution) are more helpful...


    >
    >
    > "Alex Van Starrex" <avanstar@tig.com.au> a écrit dans le message de
    > news:bii2ac$8ru$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
    > > a good mod (rare) can be better still
    > >
    > > --
    > > ---
    > >
    > > The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
    > > http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm
    > >
    > > My main web-site:
    > > http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar
    > >
    > > My mp3 site:
    > > http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/
    > >
    > > My RealVideo site:
    > > http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html
    > >
    > > Now available: "Musical Graffiti - The Original Music-Site in a

    Zip-File".
    > > 100 MED-MODs (around 25 hours of music) in a 3.8 MB zip-file.
    > > (may be downloaded, uploaded and posted anywhere)
    > >
    > > ------------------------------------------------
    > > "A=MidiMan" <roland@freemail.it> wrote in message
    > > news:lJx%a.91899$cl3.2849209@news2.tin.it...
    > > >
    > > > "Roseb441702" <roseb441702@aol.comnospam> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > > > news:20030816173629.28604.00000169@mb-m18.aol.com...
    > > >
    > > > Totally wrong question... sorry!
    > > > MIDI is a "binary" format... a list of instructions.
    > > > MP3 is a compressed AUDIO format.
    > > >
    > > > A midifile can play music ONLY if you have an electronic musical

    > > instrument
    > > > or a PC soundcard connected.
    > > > A mp3 can be played by any suitable player
    > > >
    > > > A midifile can be modified, re-arranged... and it will sound different

    > any
    > > > time you change the instrument(s) connected.
    > > > A mp3 is... "as recordered" and you can only play it.
    > > >
    > > > A midifile cannot contain any human voice
    > > > A mp3 is a normal audio recording... including human voices too.
    > > >
    > > > You cannot choose the best... you have to choose what you need.
    > > > Bye
    > > > A=MM
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  11. "Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
    > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
    > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size


    No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
    device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
    more close to a notesheet description than sound).

    The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
    the sound.
    Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
    additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
    That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
    later without need of recording the well played parts again.

    mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
    modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
    choosed and can include voice and noises.
    mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
    uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
    midi is one part used in the middle of recording process

    if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
    the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
    good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
    that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
    their equipment.
    Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
    synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
    users might not get similiar sounds.
    Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
    the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.

    Günter
  12. Seemerk

    Seemerk Guest

    Günter,
    I have been following this topic in the group and as an older rock
    keyboardist who recalls playing more than two boards at once meant you
    needed another hand or set of hands, (lead singers) I was just about ready
    to give my two cents on the subject. It appears that you have said it all,
    and said it very well I might add.

    Sometimes when looking for answers it's best to return to the basics, MIDI
    = Musical Instrument Data Interface
    KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
    Carl

    "Günter Nagler" <gnagler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
    news:3F4F0108.2342F1@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at...
    > "Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
    > > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
    > > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size

    >
    > No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
    > device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
    > more close to a notesheet description than sound).
    >
    > The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
    > the sound.
    > Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
    > additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
    > That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
    > later without need of recording the well played parts again.
    >
    > mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
    > modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
    > choosed and can include voice and noises.
    > mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
    > uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
    > midi is one part used in the middle of recording process
    >
    > if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
    > the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
    > good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
    > that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
    > their equipment.
    > Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
    > synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
    > users might not get similiar sounds.
    > Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
    > the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.
    >
    > Günter
  13. CDIK

    CDIK Guest

    "Seemerk" <seemerk@cox.net> skrev i meddelandet
    news:iPH3b.33492$nf3.32212@fed1read07...
    > Günter,
    > I have been following this topic in the group and as an older rock
    > keyboardist who recalls playing more than two boards at once meant you
    > needed another hand or set of hands, (lead singers) I was just about ready
    > to give my two cents on the subject. It appears that you have said it

    all,
    > and said it very well I might add.
    >
    > Sometimes when looking for answers it's best to return to the basics,

    MIDI
    > = Musical Instrument Data Interface


    MIDI= Musical Instrument Digital Interface





    > KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)
    > Carl
    >
    > "Günter Nagler" <gnagler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
    > news:3F4F0108.2342F1@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at...
    > > "Lewandowski Rémi" wrote:
    > > > midi is like old b&w movie with simple tonality and same instrument
    > > > mp3 is a real sound lika an audio-cd but with lower size

    > >
    > > No, midi isn't responsible for the sound, it only controls a sound
    > > device to play musical notes in a given style. The content of midi is
    > > more close to a notesheet description than sound).
    > >
    > > The sound depends on the capabilities of the sound device that generates
    > > the sound.
    > > Music as you find on a cd or mp3 are recorded in a recording studio
    > > additionally to analog sound with synthesizer sound and help of midi.
    > > That allows to record a song part and modify the sound, timing, effects
    > > later without need of recording the well played parts again.
    > >
    > > mp3 is the lower quality compressed variation of a sound. It is less
    > > modifyable than a midi song, contains the sounds that the authors
    > > choosed and can include voice and noises.
    > > mp3 is one end product of the recording process, usually generated from
    > > uncompressed high quality sound e.g. cd,wav
    > > midi is one part used in the middle of recording process
    > >
    > > if your music consumers have good music equipment (e.g. musicians) then
    > > the smaller midi files are good enough. if many of them don't have a
    > > good synthesizer (soundcard, keyboard, modul) then mp3 should be used
    > > that users can listen to the music with same quality independent of
    > > their equipment.
    > > Especially if your songs use special sounds provided only by your
    > > synthesizer or sound font, mp3 should be used, since the other midi
    > > users might not get similiar sounds.
    > > Only GM, GM2 GS, XG compatible midi files should be distributed, else
    > > the used sounds might be wrong for many other users.
    > >
    > > Günter

    >
    >
  14. I'm still surprised how competitive (and often superior) a simple 8-bit
    sample-based mod can be, compared to both.

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    The Unofficial Yes 2003 Australian Tour site:
    http://ozguitar.50megs.com/index.htm

    My main web-site:
    http://homepages.tig.com.au/~avanstar

    My mp3 site:
    http://www.mp3.com.au/AlexVanStarrex/

    My RealVideo site:
    http://www.geocities.com/~avanstar/index.html

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    "cpsnox" <cpsnox.shti5@spamfree.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > you really shouldn't compare the two.
    >
    > MIDI is great if you want to play something based only on instruments.
    > It's like perfectly playing a tab... on a lot of instruments. That's
    > why classical music plays good on MIDI.
    >
    > MP3 is great for your everyday pop music. you can actually set the
    > compression of an MP3, and Tim, it's not lossy as it is. if you
    > probably compress something to like 64kbps, then it will loose a lot of
    > it's original data. but if you do 192 or 320kbps... it may sound
    > exactly as your CDA files. (it removes the parts that the human ear
    > can't hear)
    >
    >
    > --
    > cpsnox
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  15. IU

    IU Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Alex Van Starrex wrote:
    >>
    >> you really shouldn't compare the two.
    >>

    That's true. It depends what you're goin' to do?

    It's also true that some classical pieces sounds great as MIDI files depending
    of course the synthesis used by soundcard and the manufacturer of that chip
    producing sound from MIDI data.
  16. Eloise

    Eloise Guest

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