Which makes the biggest difference in your t0N3

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  1. Odin

    Odin Guest

    Discuss......


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  2. Gamelan

    Gamelan Guest

    "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f32920b@shknews01...
    > Discuss......
    >
    >
    > TRUE BYPASS
    >
    > Wired/Wireless
    >
    > String Gauge
    >
    > Tuning Keys
    >
    > Pick Thickness


    This does make a big difference. I had a guitar teacher tell me, in the middle
    of a chord melody piece, tell me my guitar sounding like a duck quacking. I
    think
    it was due to using a jazz III style pick.
  3. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Gamelan <bobafett1NOSPAM@rcn.com> wrote in article <bgu68g$k7l$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...

    > > Pick Thickness

    >
    > This does make a big difference. I had a guitar teacher tell me, in the middle
    > of a chord melody piece, tell me my guitar sounding like a duck quacking. I
    > think it was due to using a jazz III style pick.


    Change a pick, you change your tone.

    It's that simple.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  4. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > Change a pick, you change your tone.
    >
    > It's that simple.


    This from the guy who shitcanned his compressor because it was reducing his
    dynamics.
  5. "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f32920b@shknews01...
    > Discuss......


    > String Gauge


    MOST definitely...

    > Pick Thickness


    MOST definitely...

    Having both of the above allows you to attack the guitar harder without
    wilting. That in itself changes the tone...

    Jeff
  6. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
    message

    > > Discuss......

    >
    > > String Gauge

    >
    > MOST definitely...


    I notice a *slight* "tone" difference between 10's and 11's.
    9's feel like rubber bands and start to lose any semblence
    of balls and fat tone. When we're gigging 8-10 times per
    month I usually go with 10's because I get less of the
    sorefinger. I'm definitely not a "light touch" player so
    the lighter strings make a difference in comfort more than
    anything for me.


    > > Pick Thickness

    >
    > MOST definitely...


    I use a Fender Heavy pick. I go through at least 2 picks
    per gig, the edge gets worn down and sharpened to the point
    that I can't reuse the picks. Anything lighter and I break
    them. I hate Totex picks, they feel terrible IMO and are
    easily deformed when I hold them.


    > Having both of the above allows you to attack the guitar

    harder without
    > wilting. That in itself changes the tone...


    That's true. I notice a much bigger tonal difference on an
    acoustic guitar, especially with pick thickness, but on an
    electric I play what's most comfortable and what won't
    break. Fender Heavy picks and D'Addario 10's or 11's.
  7. "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f33c5a6@shknews01...
    >
    > "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
    > message
    >
    > > > Discuss......

    > >
    > > > String Gauge

    > >
    > > MOST definitely...

    >
    > I notice a *slight* "tone" difference between 10's and 11's.
    > 9's feel like rubber bands and start to lose any semblence
    > of balls and fat tone. When we're gigging 8-10 times per
    > month I usually go with 10's because I get less of the
    > sorefinger. I'm definitely not a "light touch" player so
    > the lighter strings make a difference in comfort more than
    > anything for me.


    I'm with you on all that... I can't say I really notice a tOn3 difference
    with 9's and 10's, but what I DO notice is MY ability to affect the tone.
    The tighter the string, the more able I am to pound it into submission. When
    I rake an E chord from the high E that e string just spits out of my amp
    with the 10's. When i used 9's the E just plain sucked... Wimpy sounding.

    > I use a Fender Heavy pick. I go through at least 2 picks
    > per gig, the edge gets worn down and sharpened to the point
    > that I can't reuse the picks. Anything lighter and I break
    > them. I hate Totex picks, they feel terrible IMO and are
    > easily deformed when I hold them.


    Ha Ha... that's why I use Tortex picks (.88's), I LIKE the fact they stay
    slightly bent. Celebrate diversity and stuff. On acoustic I like the lighter
    yellow ones. I think they are .74's or something...

    Jeff
  8. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Jeff Liberatore <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in article <aiOYa.48901$hc.2108@fe3.columbus.rr.com>...
    >
    > "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f32920b@shknews01...
    > > Discuss......

    >
    > > String Gauge

    >
    > MOST definitely...
    >
    > > Pick Thickness

    >
    > MOST definitely...
    >
    > Having both of the above allows you to attack the guitar harder without
    > wilting. That in itself changes the tone...
    >
    > Jeff


    Odim will never understand, Jeff.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  9. Jeff Liberatore wrote:
    > "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f33c5a6@shknews01...


    >>I use a Fender Heavy pick. I go through at least 2 picks
    >>per gig, the edge gets worn down and sharpened to the point
    >>that I can't reuse the picks. Anything lighter and I break
    >>them. I hate Totex picks, they feel terrible IMO and are
    >>easily deformed when I hold them.

    >
    >
    > Ha Ha... that's why I use Tortex picks (.88's), I LIKE the fact they stay
    > slightly bent. Celebrate diversity and stuff. On acoustic I like the lighter
    > yellow ones. I think they are .74's or something...


    You guys ever tried the Dava picks? A Fender pick lasts me less than a
    set usually (hey, I'm mainly a bass player, whatta ya expect?), but the
    Davas last until I lose them (usually not till the "beer" set or load
    out). The whole deal with the Dava is that you can really vary the
    stiffness by how you hold it. Works great for me, but I don't know
    anyone else who uses them. The local shop sells them, so someone else
    must buy a few.


    .cE
  10. Grant

    Grant Guest

    Gamelan wrote:

    >>
    >>Pick Thickness

    >
    >
    > This does make a big difference. I had a guitar teacher tell me, in the middle


    Pick composition too, in my experience. Most commercial picks I have
    tried are made of a fairly soft plastic. My favorite picks, made by
    Martin, are made of a very rigid, hard polystyrene-like plastic that
    gives me a good crisp attack on the string. Only problem was, they
    tended to crack after a few hours of use. But I was willing to put up
    with that because of how much better they sounded and felt. And now
    Martin no longer makes them, and I've been unable to find an adequate
    substitute! I bought up all the remaining ones available in stores in
    Madison WI, and I've only got a couple dozen left. :-(
  11. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote in message

    > >>I use a Fender Heavy pick. I go through at least 2

    picks
    > >>per gig, the edge gets worn down and sharpened to the

    point
    > >>that I can't reuse the picks. Anything lighter and I

    break
    > >>them. I hate Totex picks, they feel terrible IMO and

    are
    > >>easily deformed when I hold them.

    > >
    > >
    > > Ha Ha... that's why I use Tortex picks (.88's), I LIKE

    the fact they stay
    > > slightly bent. Celebrate diversity and stuff. On

    acoustic I like the lighter
    > > yellow ones. I think they are .74's or something...

    >
    > You guys ever tried the Dava picks? A Fender pick lasts me

    less than a
    > set usually (hey, I'm mainly a bass player, whatta ya

    expect?), but the
    > Davas last until I lose them (usually not till the "beer"

    set or load
    > out). The whole deal with the Dava is that you can really

    vary the
    > stiffness by how you hold it. Works great for me, but I

    don't know
    > anyone else who uses them. The local shop sells them, so

    someone else
    > must buy a few.


    Never tried those. Of course I never really looked at other
    picks because I'm used to the old Fender Heavy. But I think
    the fact that I'm grinding down the pick is OK because it's
    that softness of the pick that I like. It's thick enough to
    be very stiff but the material is soft enough to have some
    "feel" to it.
  12. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Polfus" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message

    > > > String Gauge

    > >
    > > MOST definitely...
    > >
    > > > Pick Thickness

    > >
    > > MOST definitely...
    > >
    > > Having both of the above allows you to attack the guitar

    harder without
    > > wilting. That in itself changes the tone...
    > >
    > > Jeff

    >
    > Odim will never understand, Jeff.


    Hey Polfus, you ain't "attacking" your strings if you tune
    9's down to dropped C. That guitar will not handle being
    played with anything but the wimpiest touch before the
    strings give out.
  13. Practicing. What a novel concept! :)
  14. "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message news:<CpDYa.1550$bM6.1158@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
    > "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> wrote in message
    >
    > > Change a pick, you change your tone.
    > >
    > > It's that simple.

    >
    > This from the guy who shitcanned his compressor because it was reducing his
    > dynamics.


    Man - You're always complaining and whining about him and look how you
    respond to an honest and no bull posting of his...And you wonder?!?
  15. "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> writes:


    >"Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f32920b@shknews01...
    >> Discuss......


    >> String Gauge


    >MOST definitely...


    I'd agree but I find that 9's help tame my tendency towards a heavy hand,
    which is useful.

    On an acoustic, string gauge makes a HUGE difference. On mine, I like a
    standard set of lights (12-54 IIRC). The heavier bass strings of mediums or
    medium bass light trebles bring out too much bass in the dreadnaught body in
    standard tuning IMO. Lighter than 12s just sound horrid. (I really should get
    an orchestra model one of these years.) Of course since I play acoustic drop D
    a lot, a somewhat heavier 6th string wouldn't be a bad thing but that would
    mean assembling custom sets of strings, which is a pain.


    >> Pick Thickness


    >MOST definitely...


    Yep, though again I find that I want to balance weight of the pick with
    desired flexibility. Heavier ain't necessarily better.

    I like the Dunlop Yellow Tortex .73mm picks though I've been experimenting
    with a nylon pick of late and of course really like plain fingers a lot.


    >Having both of the above allows you to attack the guitar harder without
    >wilting. That in itself changes the tone...


    True but I find that backing off a little isn't a bad thing. If you smack
    the hell out of your guitar all the time that's IMO the equivalent of keeping
    your amp dimed all the time.

    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  16. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Jack A. Zucker <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in article <2f33c43f.0308081127.4eba2e75@posting.google.com>...

    > Practicing. What a novel concept! :)


    I agree, bromandood.

    Well..I call it "playing" as opposed to "practice"...I hate that word for some reason.

    I believe playing all the time really is a great way to get better, as opposed to "practice", which to me entails going thru
    scales, modes, etc....I try to PLAY that stuff and make it musical or find music in it...if I just "practiced", I'm not sure I
    would have the same approach.

    It remains cool to this day after playing for..what...6 years...to find music coming out of my amp from stuff I did on my own.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  17. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308081127.4eba2e75@posting.google.com...
    > Practicing. What a novel concept! :)


    Who'd 'a thunk it?!? ;)
  18. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Odin, Follower And Keeper Of The "Polfus" Flame <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in article <3f33ef40@shknews01>...

    > Hey Polfus, you ain't "attacking" your strings if you tune
    > 9's down to dropped C. That guitar will not handle being
    > played with anything but the wimpiest touch before the
    > strings give out.


    I defer your uninformed opinion to Black Sabbath and Tony Iommi.


    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  19. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:43:28 GMT, "Nunya Bidni"
    <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote:

    >
    >"Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    >news:2f33c43f.0308081127.4eba2e75@posting.google.com...
    >> Practicing. What a novel concept! :)

    >
    >Who'd 'a thunk it?!? ;)


    I've been advocating that approach for a while now. (Doesn't
    earn me very many points with the gear-obsessed).




    Atlas
  20. Atlas wrote:

    > On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:43:28 GMT, "Nunya Bidni"
    > <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote:
    >
    >>"Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    >>news:2f33c43f.0308081127.4eba2e75@posting.google.com...
    >>
    >>>Practicing. What a novel concept! :)

    >>
    >>Who'd 'a thunk it?!? ;)

    >
    > I've been advocating that approach for a while now. (Doesn't
    > earn me very many points with the gear-obsessed).


    Sure it does. We practice changing tone caps, pickups, amps, guitars,
    and crew sluts regularly ;^}


    .cE

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