Yamaha CLICKSTATION-- Verdict..... [long review]

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  1. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    until October. So, I just had to get it. Unfortunately, it has no
    manual and there are a few things I'm still trying to figure out.
    No pdf on their site and Yamaha USA has none in country. But it's
    easy enough to break out and start using, especially if you've used
    similar devices before.

    I feel like I can give a big thumbs up to this thing. It seems to
    be everything it's cracked up to be, and once I get the manual, I
    figure it will end up being more than that. :)


    Programming isn't quite as quick as the Tama one-touch method, only
    because it gives you the option of naming the program, along with
    the number. So call it a two-step, three touch system. Most of
    times you find yourself quickly pressing the store button, skipping
    the naming procedure by pressing the start button, then pressing the
    store button again to lock it in the 86 available banks.

    One of the cooler features is the vibration pad that gives off a
    vibrating pulse to the beat, when pressed. You just press down and
    it starts silently pulsing the tempo into your finger. You let off
    and it stops.

    Another very nifty feature of this vibration pad is that it
    overrides the audible click, in that anytime you press it, it starts
    the click over on one. I find this a wonderfully thought out bonus,
    for those times when the band has dragged or rushed beyond your
    control just a tad off the tempo and you don't want to 'snap' them
    back on tempo. With the Tama, it would take stopping and starting
    again, very quickly. With the Clickstation, you simply hit the
    vibration pad on a beat and you're synched up again. Very cool!


    The mixing faders are Bogarted right off the Boss DB-88 Dr. Beat,
    with some added features. Along with Dr. Beat's 1/4, 1/8, 16th and
    triplets note faders and master fader, the Clickstation added a
    fader for the vibration pad, and an accessory fader for the line
    level stereo aux. input.

    Entering tempo can be done with the jog wheel that really flies, or
    by pressing the tap key and tapping in a tempo on the start/stop
    button, or by pressing the type tempo key and typing in a tempo on
    the keypad.

    Did I mention this thing has an audible tuner! A six octave range
    with an 8Hz fine adjustment.

    And just for you Ben Jacoby..... All setting are saved when powered
    down and battery is changed. Just for you, I'll take the battery
    out for a few hours and see how long the memory lasts. Oh yeah,
    when you turn the power off it doesn't reset. It restarts right
    where you left off-- whatever memory bank you were on, whatever
    tempo setting you last had. :)

    Because I don't have the manual, I can't fully comment on how to
    program time signatures, though it can be done and you can do
    complex or compound beats. There is also something called "chain"
    with 20 program banks. I'm guessing this can be used to create and
    store "songs" or groups of patterns and tempos in a row...... more
    when I get a manual.

    TWO stereo headphone jacks-- one 1/4", one mini. A trigger input
    for start/stop and tapping tempo, and midi jack for remote synch
    make this bad boy very versatile.

    The size of the Clickstation is about the same as the Tama Rhythm
    Watch, but a tad thicker and heavier. Just like the Tama, there is
    a 6mm threaded insert on the top, for mounting to a cymbal arm. I
    haven't opened up the unit, yet, but it feels like it is secured a
    little better than the Tama.

    Specs can be seen here:
    http://tinyurl.com/kjyh
    Press release here:
    http://tinyurl.com/kjyq


    That's all I can think of, right now. :)
    Questions are welcome.


    -MIKE-

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  2. Dan Radin

    Dan Radin Guest

    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    news:fbScnU4sico5U9-iXTWJjA@comcast.com...
    > Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    > until October. So, I just had to get it.


    Nice review, Mike. How much?
  3. Glenn Dowdy

    Glenn Dowdy Guest

    "Dan Radin" <danradin@snet.net> wrote in message
    news:pgA0b.27648$Vx2.12667755@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
    > "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    > news:fbScnU4sico5U9-iXTWJjA@comcast.com...
    > > Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    > > until October. So, I just had to get it.

    >
    > Nice review, Mike. How much?
    >

    Jeez, Dan, he just got it. -MIKE- usually takes a week before he sells
    something new.

    Glenn D.
  4. joem

    joem Guest

    -MIKE- wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > That's all I can think of, right now. :)
    > Questions are welcome.


    excellent review.

    one question: does barry manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?

    seriously, though: is the MIDI jack a MIDI out or in? i.e. can it be a
    master MIDI time source or just a slave?

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  5. -MIKE- <mike@mikedrumsdot.com> wrote:

    > I feel like I can give a big thumbs up to this thing. It seems to
    > be everything it's cracked up to be, and once I get the manual, I
    > figure it will end up being more than that. :)


    > And just for you Ben Jacoby..... All setting are saved when powered
    > down and battery is changed. Just for you, I'll take the battery
    > out for a few hours and see how long the memory lasts. Oh yeah,
    > when you turn the power off it doesn't reset. It restarts right
    > where you left off-- whatever memory bank you were on, whatever
    > tempo setting you last had. :)


    This thing sounds like a WINNER! I may have to move up! The memory
    doesn't have to last for hours, though I suppose the longer it
    holds the better. But as everyone knows my big bitch with my
    Tama is that whenever the battery comes out it won't even hold
    for the minute or so it takes to jam a new one in it.

    Now I mostly use the Tama for practice, so I like to program the
    presets with incremental tempos like 80, 90, 100, 110, 120 etc.
    that way you can start our practicing some rhythm slowly
    to learn it and then as you get it reach over and bump the tempo
    a notch. etc. The mem loss thing means that when the battery dies
    (which is often due to the Tama battery-eating feature) you have to
    take time to put ALL those settings back in again. Just think
    how cool it would be to but your band's book of 87 tunes
    back in each time!

    Sounds like someone tuned in to the RMMP bitch-fest we had a while
    back about all this stuff! :)

    Great review, Mike!

    Benj
  6. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    >> > Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    >> > until October. So, I just had to get it.

    >>
    >> Nice review, Mike. How much?
    >>

    > Jeez, Dan, he just got it. -MIKE- usually takes a week before he sells
    > something new.
    >
    > Glenn D.
    >
    >


    Wrong guy. Who is the guy who sells everything he just bought? Is
    it Tony? Evan?


    -MIKE-

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  7. -MIKE-

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    >> That's all I can think of, right now. :)
    >> Questions are welcome.

    >
    > excellent review.
    >
    > one question: does barry manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?
    >
    > seriously, though: is the MIDI jack a MIDI out or in? i.e. can it be a
    > master MIDI time source or just a slave?



    It says, midi in, so probably just slave. If you want we could
    pitch in and buy you one.


    -MIKE-

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  8. -MIKE-

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    > This thing sounds like a WINNER! I may have to move up! The memory
    > doesn't have to last for hours, though I suppose the longer it
    > holds the better. But as everyone knows my big bitch with my
    > Tama is that whenever the battery comes out it won't even hold
    > for the minute or so it takes to jam a new one in it.
    >


    I left it off for a half hour or so and it dumped everything. But
    it's good for a few minutes, which is plenty of time to change the 9
    volt. (tip for Tama: plug ac adapter in, while changing batt.)


    > Now I mostly use the Tama for practice, so I like to program the
    > presets with incremental tempos like 80, 90, 100, 110, 120 etc.
    > that way you can start our practicing some rhythm slowly
    > to learn it and then as you get it reach over and bump the tempo
    > a notch. etc.


    Check this out, Ben. Though I don't have the manual, so I'm not
    completely certain of the details, the have this thing called
    "chain," which I'm thinking allows you to chain together patterns to
    form a song. You could chain your practice routine together.


    > The mem loss thing means that when the battery dies
    > (which is often due to the Tama battery-eating feature) you have to
    > take time to put ALL those settings back in again. Just think
    > how cool it would be to but your band's book of 87 tunes
    > back in each time!
    >


    Best part for that: along with the locked in program bank number,
    you get to program a 5 character name using letters, numbers, and
    symbols.


    > Sounds like someone tuned in to the RMMP bitch-fest we had a while
    > back about all this stuff! :)
    >
    > Great review, Mike!
    >
    > Benj



    They're out there listening-- that is a fact.

    Thanks,


    -MIKE-

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  9. -MIKE-

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    >> Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    >> until October. So, I just had to get it.

    >
    > Nice review, Mike. How much?
    >
    >


    namm demo price, $130 plus TN's ridiculous sales tax of $12. List
    is $179, on-line prices have been $169, expect to pay $149.

    Who knows, though, they might shoot them out of the gate real low to
    move them as a new item and for Christmas.


    -MIKE-

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  10. Lee K.

    Lee K. Guest

    Durn it -- I almost went to Fork's today and bought it....Keio Stroud told
    me they had one.

    Glad to hear how cool it is.

    How much was Fork's selling it for??

    I am playing a the Wildhorse all this week...give me a call or shoot me an
    e-mail if you want to come out.

    Lee

    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    news:fbScnU4sico5U9-iXTWJjA@comcast.com...
    > Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    > until October. So, I just had to get it. Unfortunately, it has no
    > manual and there are a few things I'm still trying to figure out.
    > No pdf on their site and Yamaha USA has none in country. But it's
    > easy enough to break out and start using, especially if you've used
    > similar devices before.
    >
    > I feel like I can give a big thumbs up to this thing. It seems to
    > be everything it's cracked up to be, and once I get the manual, I
    > figure it will end up being more than that. :)
    >
    >
    > Programming isn't quite as quick as the Tama one-touch method, only
    > because it gives you the option of naming the program, along with
    > the number. So call it a two-step, three touch system. Most of
    > times you find yourself quickly pressing the store button, skipping
    > the naming procedure by pressing the start button, then pressing the
    > store button again to lock it in the 86 available banks.
    >
    > One of the cooler features is the vibration pad that gives off a
    > vibrating pulse to the beat, when pressed. You just press down and
    > it starts silently pulsing the tempo into your finger. You let off
    > and it stops.
    >
    > Another very nifty feature of this vibration pad is that it
    > overrides the audible click, in that anytime you press it, it starts
    > the click over on one. I find this a wonderfully thought out bonus,
    > for those times when the band has dragged or rushed beyond your
    > control just a tad off the tempo and you don't want to 'snap' them
    > back on tempo. With the Tama, it would take stopping and starting
    > again, very quickly. With the Clickstation, you simply hit the
    > vibration pad on a beat and you're synched up again. Very cool!
    >
    >
    > The mixing faders are Bogarted right off the Boss DB-88 Dr. Beat,
    > with some added features. Along with Dr. Beat's 1/4, 1/8, 16th and
    > triplets note faders and master fader, the Clickstation added a
    > fader for the vibration pad, and an accessory fader for the line
    > level stereo aux. input.
    >
    > Entering tempo can be done with the jog wheel that really flies, or
    > by pressing the tap key and tapping in a tempo on the start/stop
    > button, or by pressing the type tempo key and typing in a tempo on
    > the keypad.
    >
    > Did I mention this thing has an audible tuner! A six octave range
    > with an 8Hz fine adjustment.
    >
    > And just for you Ben Jacoby..... All setting are saved when powered
    > down and battery is changed. Just for you, I'll take the battery
    > out for a few hours and see how long the memory lasts. Oh yeah,
    > when you turn the power off it doesn't reset. It restarts right
    > where you left off-- whatever memory bank you were on, whatever
    > tempo setting you last had. :)
    >
    > Because I don't have the manual, I can't fully comment on how to
    > program time signatures, though it can be done and you can do
    > complex or compound beats. There is also something called "chain"
    > with 20 program banks. I'm guessing this can be used to create and
    > store "songs" or groups of patterns and tempos in a row...... more
    > when I get a manual.
    >
    > TWO stereo headphone jacks-- one 1/4", one mini. A trigger input
    > for start/stop and tapping tempo, and midi jack for remote synch
    > make this bad boy very versatile.
    >
    > The size of the Clickstation is about the same as the Tama Rhythm
    > Watch, but a tad thicker and heavier. Just like the Tama, there is
    > a 6mm threaded insert on the top, for mounting to a cymbal arm. I
    > haven't opened up the unit, yet, but it feels like it is secured a
    > little better than the Tama.
    >
    > Specs can be seen here:
    > http://tinyurl.com/kjyh
    > Press release here:
    > http://tinyurl.com/kjyq
    >
    >
    > That's all I can think of, right now. :)
    > Questions are welcome.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
    >
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    >
  11. Tony Kujawa

    Tony Kujawa Guest

    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    news:6Mqdnf4dju9okd6iU-KYgg@comcast.com...
    > >> > Forks had one left from the NAMM show, with none others coming in
    > >> > until October. So, I just had to get it.
    > >>
    > >> Nice review, Mike. How much?
    > >>

    > > Jeez, Dan, he just got it. -MIKE- usually takes a week before he sells
    > > something new.
    > >
    > > Glenn D.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Wrong guy. Who is the guy who sells everything he just bought? Is
    > it Tony? Evan?
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
    >


    Evan's worse than me. I'll give him 2 weeks before the Delites are up for
    sale!

    Tony
  12. How does it hold the presets? Does it have an alphanumeric code or what? How
    do you recall them I guess is what I am asking.

    PP
  13. joem

    joem Guest

    -MIKE- wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > If you want we could pitch in and buy you one.


    yeah, alright. but while you're at it, you might as well throw in the
    drumframe; I'm likely to fall off of my throne while adjusting the
    metronome.

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  14. Glenn Dowdy

    Glenn Dowdy Guest

    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
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    >
    > They're out there listening-- that is a fact.
    >

    Yep. I lurk on the dvd writers groups all the time.

    Glenn D.
  15. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    > How does it hold the presets? Does it have an alphanumeric code or what?
    > How do you recall them I guess is what I am asking.
    >
    > PP
    >


    Like the Tama, the presets are 'hard-numbered' for lack of a better
    term. But along with each hard-number, you can add 5 characters to
    name that preset. You can step through with the + and - keys.
    There is also a search function key and the chain function key.
    When I get my manual, I'll let you know how those work.

    I was hoping one might be able to use the scroll wheel for flying
    though the presets, but if it's an option, I haven't figured it out
    yet.


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  16. -MIKE-

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  17. LMAO
    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
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    > Got a call from Yamaha, today. My manual is on the way to Forks. I
    > had called them about it. Goody.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
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