Yamaha NS 10 Amp?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by trev, Aug 20, 2003.

  1. trev

    trev Guest

    Hey everybody!
    What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.

    Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?

    Thanks
    Trevor
  2. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    trev <trevorleis@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >Hey everybody!
    >What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    >I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    >mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    >Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?


    When the NS-10 was the popular monitor, a lot of folks used the Crown D-60.
    The mushy top end on the D-60 helps take some of the NS-10 screechiness.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  3. Caddell M

    Caddell M Guest

    >What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.

    Several years ago when I posted the same question, Fletcher pointed me towards
    Yamaha amps, and I found it to be a good match (though I don't use that
    monitoring chain much anymore since moving on to 824's.)
    Mark Caddell
    Boston
  4. In article <20030820223613.14622.00002044@mb-m04.aol.com>,
    caddellm@aol.com (Caddell M) wrote:

    > >What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.

    >
    > Several years ago when I posted the same question, Fletcher pointed me
    > towards Yamaha amps, and I found it to be a good match


    The Yamaha amps really do work pretty well with them. You're also pretty
    safe with a good amp like Bryston. I've heard them with all kinds of
    amps, but Yamahas or Brystons seem the most common choices. I'm not a
    big NS10 guy, however, so I probably wouldn't spend the money to pair a
    Bryston with NS10s.

    --
    Jay Frigoletto
    Mastersuite
    Los Angeles
    promastering.com
  5. david

    david Guest

    In article <bi0t0s$146$1@panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey
    <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    > trev <trevorleis@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >Hey everybody!
    > >What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    > >I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    > >mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    > >
    > >Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?

    >
    > When the NS-10 was the popular monitor, a lot of folks used the Crown D-60.
    > The mushy top end on the D-60 helps take some of the NS-10 screechiness.
    > --scott
    > --
    > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."



    When?? Gezz Scott I thought we already went thru this. It still *is* a
    very popular monitor. Call up any commercial facility charging more
    than peanuts per hour and ask it they have ns-10's. They do. And they
    aren't in the forgotten storage closet covered in dust.

    And see what they go for on ebay. (Maybe I'll be able to retire in 10
    years just by selling the 3 pairs I got. ;>) I know people that want to
    buy them but won't shell out the ebay bucks. If Yammy had a brain they
    would reissue them. I don't know anyone who believed that line about
    the scarce wood for making the woofer. You can still buy replacement
    woofers from Yammy ...

    Not that you can buy the amp legally for $300, but our ns-10's are
    powered by a Bryston 4b and they mate very well. Last week on ebay a 4b
    sold for $550, which is a great deal. It's a wonderful amp with a great
    warranty.

    And I would def recommend a lot more power for this speaker than a
    D-60. (I think the 4b's are 250 per side.)




    David Correia
    Celebration Sound
    Warren, Rhode Island

    CelebrationSound@aol.com
    www.CelebrationSound.com
  6. I use an Alesis RA-100 to power mine. Perfect!!! They won't hurt each
    other...


    "trev" <trevorleis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:d06a9d8c.0308201410.2318fa42@posting.google.com...
    > Hey everybody!
    > What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    > I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    > mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    > Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Trevor
  7. Fill X

    Fill X Guest

    i think the older 4b is better with a bright monitor. The ST seems a little
    harsh and the one in the middle (the NRB) just didn't sound as good as either
    model to me.

    I hafler 500 would be a reasonable ebay pick-up and a decent match.


    P h i l i p

    ______________________________

    "I'm too fucking busy and vice-versa"

    - Dorothy Parker
  8. John  LeBlanc

    John LeBlanc Guest

    "david" <ihate@spamo.com> wrote in message
    news:210820030536057279%ihate@spamo.com...

    > If Yammy had a brain they would reissue them.


    They'd likely make the same stupid mistake so many other manufacturers are
    making: offering a monitor "more accurate" than an NS10.

    John
  9. Michael

    Michael Guest

    trevorleis@hotmail.com (trev) wrote in message news:<d06a9d8c.0308201410.2318fa42@posting.google.com>...
    > Hey everybody!
    > What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    > I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    > mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    > Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Trevor


    Trevor:

    I would try to go with a Hafler. Maybe a P1500.

    Michael
  10. Rick Knepper

    Rick Knepper Guest

    "trev" <trevorleis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:d06a9d8c.0308201410.2318fa42@posting.google.com...
    > Hey everybody!
    > What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    > I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    > mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    > Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Trevor



    I use a Hafler P3000 per side, and the NS10s still suck. But I guess that's
    the point. <g> Fortiunately I have other monitors handy.

    I think the Hafler P3000 is around $300 and some-odd. There may be some
    B-stock available out there too.....

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  11. Mark Plancke

    Mark Plancke Guest

    trevorleis@hotmail.com (trev) wrote:

    >Hey everybody!
    >What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    >I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    >mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    >Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?
    >
    >Thanks
    >Trevor


    Yes, spend more than $300, you need good power for those puppies.

    A Bryston 4B is good or there was a series of Yamaha power amps that
    couple well with NS10's, maybe someone can remember the series.

    Mark
    http://SoundtechRecording.com

    "Putting the lion's share of your attention and investment out in front
    of the microphones pays off every time." -- Bob Olhsson
  12. trev

    trev Guest

    So, can anyone tell me some specific Yamaha amps to consider.
    Peace out.
    Trevor
  13. Well, one would question what the front end has to do with the back end, but
    with $300 bucks you might as well save your money. A lot of people have
    gone on and on about NS10s blowing tweeters, but then you usually find some
    time after that they've been running 50 watts per channel and trying to hit
    110 dB in their listening environment.

    SO, some people have decided that the best way to handle the situation is to
    put a fuse between the woofer and the tweeter so that when you drive DC into
    the tweeter from over-burdening your amp, you'll save the tweeter. I'm of
    the firm opinion that you save the music and realize that no speaker likes
    to speak "DC" and plan accordingly, like putting up a nicely sized amp with
    plenty of headroom for transient peaks and simply get your system to react
    in a specific way time after time and you'll never have a blown speaker,
    plus the Yammies just might give you some music.

    Now when it comes to amplifiers, there are a couple of differences that
    might cost more or less, and you'll have to figure that out. Switching
    power supplies make for smaller amp packages with greater power, but older
    amps might offer sufficient power and require more space. Of my amps I'm
    running QSCs and Crests of older lineage, and although they get warm, they
    were 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.

    But let me make it clear. To use monitors, any monitors, you need to not
    just hook the speakers up, but do some preventative thinking and realize
    what your space is like, what those speakers will do, and what the amps are
    capable of. Once you get those factors under your belt you will find that
    you can actually hear very minor differences even with NS10s. Consistency
    is the key and knowing where your system has, say, 85 dB peaks on an SPL
    Meter (C weighted and slow on an RS meter) means that you'll be able to
    measure anything you play on your system with a common reference. If hip
    hop artists want to hear it as loud as your system will go, well, that's as
    loud as your system will go. Solid sound quality will out in a situation
    where volume introduces distortion of an unpleasant nature.

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "trev" <trevorleis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:d06a9d8c.0308201410.2318fa42@posting.google.com...
    > Hey everybody!
    > What would be the best amplifier to use with the NS 10's.
    > I don't want to spend any more than $300. I have a 001, Mackie 1402
    > mixer, the NS 10's and a 733MHz G4.
    >
    > Can somebody give me some advice on my situation?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Trevor
  14. In article <qu7ckvge1pn4obb4cnfq8frfggdclej394@4ax.com>,
    Mark@SoundtechRecording.com wrote:

    > Yes, spend more than $300, you need good power for those puppies.
    >
    > A Bryston 4B is good or there was a series of Yamaha power amps that
    > couple well with NS10's, maybe someone can remember the series.


    I think a 3B-ST (not the older 3B) should be enough for NS10s. Certainly
    4Bs are seen in this application in studios often since they just buy
    all 4Bs so as to be able to swap them around when necessary, and perhaps
    in some cases because that's just the amp they always see used in
    studios, but it's more than is necessary for most NS10 applications. A
    3B-ST should suffice and save a good chunk of change.

    --
    Jay Frigoletto
    Mastersuite
    Los Angeles
    promastering.com
  15. David Newton

    David Newton Guest

    Funny - regarding Scott Dorsey's original response (NS10 + Crown D60).
    I'm not usually a lucky person, but a producer friend gave me a pair of
    NS10's back in 1988 & I just happened to come by a Crown D60 a few years
    later. This combo is still working for me to this day (I did replace the
    drivers in the NS10's)!!!!

    A few years ago my Crown died at the beginning of a session, so I was
    forced (kicking & screaming) to my local Guitar Centre, & impulse-bought
    a Hafler something or other. Ok so it got me through the session, but
    sonically it fucking sucked!!!!! When my D60 got fixed, I returned the
    sucky Hafler back to GC. The sales weasel asked why I was returning it -
    I told him I didn't care for the sound of it! He asked me what I was
    using - I said a Crown D60. The newbie-audio prick then started on a
    mini-rant implying that I "didn't know what I was doing" using a small
    amp to power NS10's! Alarmed yet unfazed, I think I replied something
    like "Oh well, I guess I'll never get a job at Guitar Centre then!".

    Anyway, didn't they use mere Dynaco ST70's at United Western in the mid
    60's????

    David Newton.
    www.fondamusic.com/rollercoaster


    http://www.rollercoasterrecording.com
  16. In article <4aff065e.0308212008.3062d038@posting.google.com>,
    audioguy021@netscape.net (Michael) wrote:


    > I would try to go with a Hafler. Maybe a P1500.
    >
    > Michael


    Some Haflers are good (like the 9505 - but more than necessary for
    NS10s) but some, especially those old 1200 and 2400 amps really suck
    about as bad as any amp could suck. They sound bad, overheat easily,
    shut down, aren't very powerful etc. Luckily there are some good Haflers
    available as well, but don't just assume it will be good because it has
    "Hafler" written on the front.

    --
    Jay Frigoletto
    Mastersuite
    Los Angeles
    promastering.com
  17. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    David Newton <wolvoboy@webtv.net> wrote:
    >Funny - regarding Scott Dorsey's original response (NS10 + Crown D60).
    >I'm not usually a lucky person, but a producer friend gave me a pair of
    >NS10's back in 1988 & I just happened to come by a Crown D60 a few years
    >later. This combo is still working for me to this day (I did replace the
    >drivers in the NS10's)!!!!


    That used to be _the_ standard combination that everybody was using.
    And, while it doesn't make me like either the NS-10 or the D-60, I can
    understand why the combination is a good match.

    >A few years ago my Crown died at the beginning of a session, so I was
    >forced (kicking & screaming) to my local Guitar Centre, & impulse-bought
    >a Hafler something or other. Ok so it got me through the session, but
    >sonically it fucking sucked!!!!! When my D60 got fixed, I returned the
    >sucky Hafler back to GC. The sales weasel asked why I was returning it -
    >I told him I didn't care for the sound of it! He asked me what I was
    >using - I said a Crown D60. The newbie-audio prick then started on a
    >mini-rant implying that I "didn't know what I was doing" using a small
    >amp to power NS10's! Alarmed yet unfazed, I think I replied something
    >like "Oh well, I guess I'll never get a job at Guitar Centre then!".


    You don't want an accurate amp powering the NS-10s.... then they'll start
    sounding like NS-10s.

    >Anyway, didn't they use mere Dynaco ST70's at United Western in the mid
    >60's????


    Sure, and I'm still using an old Citation II amp to power the mains here.
    If you like it, use it.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  18. Caddell M

    Caddell M Guest

    >So, can anyone tell me some specific Yamaha amps to consider.
    >Peace out.
    >Trevor


    I've been driving mine with a Yamaha P2250 I picked up used for short bucks,
    with no complaints.
    Mark Caddell
    Boston
  19. Burt Jones

    Burt Jones Guest

    I would definitely recommend getting something that has more power
    than the NS10's actually require. The seem to sound better with a
    hefty amp. I think the Hafler amps are fairly decent for the money.
    Maybe look for a used Bryston, although they might be out of your
    price range.

    Good luck,
    Burt Jones
    Mediastar Productions

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