You've got to love the Iraqi's

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Brad St Clair, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. In article <3795lv4dlmt7p37khqnaqoikonlk3ie47d@4ax.com>, Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > Not even a week ago, there are mass uprisings - lead by none
    > other than the Shiites (you know - the people whom we liberated from
    > Saddam's regime). They wanted us to get the hell out of their
    > country, and to stop the "occupation".
    >
    > And now that they've got a taste of Al Quieda's work, they
    > then do an about face and criticize the U.S. for not providing enough
    > security AND they want the FBI to investigate who was behind the
    > murder of their cleric.
    >
    >
    >
    > Atlas
    > --
    > "I don't do drugs, I am drugs" - Salvador Dali





    There are different points of view over there just as there are different points of view here.
    Some want the US to stay, some want the US to leave.
  2. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message

    > Not even a week ago, there are mass uprisings - lead by none
    > other than the Shiites (you know - the people whom we liberated from
    > Saddam's regime). They wanted us to get the hell out of their
    > country, and to stop the "occupation".
    >
    > And now that they've got a taste of Al Quieda's work, they
    > then do an about face and criticize the U.S. for not providing enough
    > security AND they want the FBI to investigate who was behind the
    > murder of their cleric.


    You know, I think they wanted Saddam gone AND they want us gone. Of
    course, without us there would have been no removing Saddam, and I think
    they realize that as well. But they have been suppressed so heavily for so
    long that they are a bit unsure about their new freedom and they're
    expressing themselves emotionally without necessarily considering that if
    we leave now they will end up in the same situation as before. FWIW, I
    want us to leave Iraq ASAP as do most Americans, but leaving now is not
    going to help anyone. We should ignore the obviously emotional outbursts
    and stay the course until the country is stable. Iraq is a wealthy nation
    and can easily be stable and self sufficient pretty quickly if the peace
    loving Islamic nutcases would just let peace happen.
  3. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    Not even a week ago, there are mass uprisings - lead by none
    other than the Shiites (you know - the people whom we liberated from
    Saddam's regime). They wanted us to get the hell out of their
    country, and to stop the "occupation".

    And now that they've got a taste of Al Quieda's work, they
    then do an about face and criticize the U.S. for not providing enough
    security AND they want the FBI to investigate who was behind the
    murder of their cleric.



    Atlas
    --
    "I don't do drugs, I am drugs" - Salvador Dali
  4. G P Thibault

    G P Thibault Guest

    I think there's a lot of confusion and hate, and I think it's
    understandable.
    Imagine if Bush was a tyrant (let's not start debating this OK?) and
    some foreign government came in and removed him from power, but then
    wouldn't leave the States, Americans would be pretty pissed off that they
    wouldn't leave, but yet would want some type of stability.
    It's a hard situation any way you slice it.

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    G P THIBAULT
    www.mp3.com/littlebastard
    "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
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    > "Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
    >
    > > Not even a week ago, there are mass uprisings - lead by none
    > > other than the Shiites (you know - the people whom we liberated from
    > > Saddam's regime). They wanted us to get the hell out of their
    > > country, and to stop the "occupation".
    > >
    > > And now that they've got a taste of Al Quieda's work, they
    > > then do an about face and criticize the U.S. for not providing enough
    > > security AND they want the FBI to investigate who was behind the
    > > murder of their cleric.

    >
    > You know, I think they wanted Saddam gone AND they want us gone. Of
    > course, without us there would have been no removing Saddam, and I think
    > they realize that as well. But they have been suppressed so heavily for

    so
    > long that they are a bit unsure about their new freedom and they're
    > expressing themselves emotionally without necessarily considering that if
    > we leave now they will end up in the same situation as before. FWIW, I
    > want us to leave Iraq ASAP as do most Americans, but leaving now is not
    > going to help anyone. We should ignore the obviously emotional outbursts
    > and stay the course until the country is stable. Iraq is a wealthy nation
    > and can easily be stable and self sufficient pretty quickly if the peace
    > loving Islamic nutcases would just let peace happen.
    >
    >
  5. "Odin" wrote:
    >> And now that they've got a taste of Al Quieda's work, they
    >> then do an about face and criticize the U.S. for not providing enough
    >> security AND they want the FBI to investigate who was behind the
    >> murder of their cleric.


    Well, ditto the UN, eh ? *RUMOR* is that there have been a
    flood of tips since the mosque bombing. It may be that people start
    all pulling in the same direction here, we can hope.


    >You know, I think they wanted Saddam gone AND they want us gone.


    Nail. Head. Pow.

    >without us there would have been no removing Saddam, and I think
    >they realize that as well.


    And some are very grateful, some less so, and some not at all.
    Particularly the 30-40,000 fighters that showed up in Iraq before the
    war and some of whom are apparently still working with the Fedayin.

    > But they have been suppressed so heavily for so
    >long that they are a bit unsure about their new freedom and they're
    >expressing themselves emotionally without necessarily considering that if
    >we leave now they will end up in the same situation as before.


    There is a "cult survivor" aspect at work, as there was in
    East Germany, Russia, and Romania after the glasnost era. It takes one
    a while to regain balance. North Korea will be a mess in that regard.


    >want us to leave Iraq ASAP as do most Americans, but leaving now is not
    >going to help anyone.


    Agreed. We also need to modify what we are doing for practical
    and image reasons.

    > We should ignore the obviously emotional outbursts
    >and stay the course until the country is stable.


    Disagree. Consider the Arab mentality and socialization. If we
    are working hard at improving their lot, and make the effort to show
    it, with some intelligent PR - I think we might improve the current
    situation and speed the whole rebuild/stabilize project along.




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    yall are crazy

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